>>John and Perry;
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>>You both have passion but are letting name-calling get in the way of exchanging differing points of view. I realize that no one can explain everything related to a statement they make on the Internet. A face to face conversation allows you to have a discussion in depth.
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>>We need differing opinions to find some degree of reality and balance. If you know your stuff then you can be passionate about your thoughts, while others work from emotion.
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>>Now as for which of you is correct, my opinion is that neither of you are! :)
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>>Peace guys!
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>Oh yeah?! Well I think they both are, you cretin. ;)


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>>>>And just when you think the thread is dead....Someone pops up with more idiotic statements.
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>>>Idiotic? I'm not the partisan yahoo, Perry. I calls themn as I sees them. If that doesn't fit your fixed worldview it doesn't make me an idiot.
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>>>>I can't believe you too have such a small mind you feel the need to frame everything in terms of "conservative", "liberal", "republican", "democrat".
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>>>I don't unless the parties I ding do so themselves.
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>>>>The basic, bottom line point is that with one party in charge of all electable positions in the Fed govt, oversite 100% disappeared. Dont' you find it just a mite bit strange the number of investigations into Clinton for an extramarital affair vs. bush for lying to get the country involved in a no-win war.
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>>>First part: Agree with you. Second part shows partisan bias again: Bush was going on faulty intelligence. That's not lying. Bubba was investigated for far more than an extramarital affair which, I might add, he lied about.
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>>>>Show me someone whose not a mouthpiece for the admin. who thought invading Iraq had anything to do with the "war on terrorism". The world was behind us when we invaded Afghanistan to go after the Taliban. The world hates us now that we've turned the middle east region into a deep quagmire.
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>>>Wah wah. Your opinion and not objective. And you're even using talking points words like "quagmire". How cute!
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>>>>Not to mention bushes assault on science. His total lack of understanding of international affairs.....etc, etc.
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>>>Yeah, he's the anti-christ alright. His funding for science is actually up, numbnuts. Oh, but wait, that's an inconvenient truth (shh...don't tell your buddy Gore I stole his phrase). Lack of understanding....heheheh....Perry, you belittle your own points and don't need my help to look stupid.
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>>>>You keep framing all that's happened in the last couple years as the whining of liberals attacking bush. That shows you've totally missed the point. Not even close. I hope you show far more ability to understand your clients when designing software systems.
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>>>Yeah, I do demonstrably show far more ability, Perry, than you do on those issues as far as software. And I've run for office and been very politically involved. You want to extrapolate that to politics as a whole on a dare? Didn't think so.
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>>>>K St became a symbol of corruption at the highest levels. And I've not heard one word of contrition from De Lay. Still convinced he was the victim of a witch hunt.
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>>>To a degree, yes. Dude, they are all bastards. Grow up and you'll see that. The only thing we can do is stick with those who agree with our principles.
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>>>>Our govt became the laughingstock of the world. Bottomline, we needed a change to help restore some respectability, not to mention accountability.
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>>>I don't give two craps about what the world thinks and you shouldn't either unless you're a globalist. The "world" is too busy killing each other and starting world wars. As far as I know, we haven't invented Hitlers or Stalins or the like....so what should I care for the opinion of jackasses who are supposedly civilized but find ways to exterminate each other every other generation? Who the freaking hell cares what the world thinks in perspective, Perry? Who??? Think about it. (But wait! I asked him to think!!)
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>>>>>I can't believe this thread is still going...
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>>>>>Anyhow, what I enjoy watching is that the Dems are naming (or trying to name) corrupt members like Hastings and the like to committee chairs after two years of whining about the "culture of corruption".
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>>>>>I think we're looking at a political situation that is way too complex to get into here, but it boils down to the folks in power are not the ones who actually won the elections and resonated with the electorate. So we have this weird dichotomy.
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>>>>>I'm going to have so much fun the next two years watching the leftist Dems get their butts handed to them. They have already begun selling out "principles". As if they ever had them.
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>>>>>>Not moi. I'm only stating that their are built in safeguards to help incumbents maintain their seats in future elections. And it would take things like a right-wing fundamentalist associated with a place like "jesus camp" to come out of the closet. Or a war that some say is going swimmingly, while the nightly news says otherwise. Or congressme to basically hang shingles outside their office announcing what their bribe rates are......
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>>>>>>But all these things could never happen at the same time. Who would believe that????
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>>>>>>>>Thru the magic of gerry mandering districts and earmarks, it's almost impossible for the incumbents to loose. It takes something dramatic, such as what we've seen over the last several years for a change to take place.
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>>>>>>>Are you imply that the Bush administration is incompetent? :-D