I don't have SET RELATION, FILTER, KEY either. Also, I found that any view going to grid can be simplified in code (no joins) and accomodated in grid (customized column.controlsource).

>Nancy,
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>Well I keep getting more and more comfortable with them.. I don't have anything in VFP apps relative to "old Xbase procedural code" ie SET RELATION, FILTER, KEY, etc.
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>I still have an occasional SET ORDER and SCAN loops but that's about it.
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>>I sure do agree about filters and grids. Better (faster) than SET FILTER is using SET KEY instead. (How did I ever get along without it? :-) Whether SET KEY is *better* or *worse* than parameterized views, well, IMO that depends on how comfortable you are with PVs.