>>I'm of opinion that it's a shame that Refox is allowed to exist in the upper world. And it is our community that lets this endure.
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>What rubbish. To attack and badger Refox is wrong and misses the point entirely. You should rather attack the perpetrator. Cracking and stealing peoples property (eg source code) is the problem. Not what tools they use to carry out the crime. Refox is not your problem, crackers are.
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>Do you think if Refox was gone you would be safe? (Have you heard of UnFoxAll?). There will always be tools which will have a double-edge. We don't ban tools just because they could be put to good and bad uses. Then you may as well ban the Internet entirely because cyber-crimes commited over the Internet is now a multi-billion dollar business.

I too realize we have discussed this all in the past. However, you react, so I react and there are so many discussions we do over and over here again. Having said that, I do not think we should rediscuss it all again as extensively as we did.

The only remark I feel urged to make here is about the argument that the focus should be on the perpetrator, not the builder of the tool. I'm of opinion that we should not only focus on the persons who use guns, but also on the firms who sell guns. And the argument that there are many gun builders, in the upperworld and in the underworld, should not be used to argue that this one gun builder is not to blame.

The only argument I can currently think of that frees Refox from blame is that the fox community has not stood up, not when it was published and not afterwards, not even today. So, in the end it is the fox community who should feel shame.

I suppose there were too many of us, including the gurus, who mumbled 'wow!' and cheered up when they saw Refox do its job the first time.