>>Yes, you're right, we have those extremist, ignorant people too.
>... and...
>>Now in the debate of this threat I did aim this at certain US members up here, and I agree you might have a point that those arrogant, ignorant and flatout dumb statements are not exclusively to US americans.

>See, this is what I tried to show you: You use words like ignorant, arrogant and dumb, only to derogate and disqualify your opponents. Uninvolved co-readers will evaluate such words as attempts to show how superior you think you are to your opponents.

That is correct.

>>Now, I have a hard time to see what on earth justifies to bomb down Iran.

>The task for you was to provide facts and arguments why that is a bad idea. Or 'invite' the opponent to come with facts and arguments why it is a good idea. A simple statement that 'we should do this or that' is not good enough in a debate. It is merely an expression of a wish, and that's not enough to win the debate. Show the opponent (and the co-readers) that invalid facts and arguments are used. And formulate your own facts and arguments. Do not merely state that the other is stupid. Use facts and arguments.

It is always a bad idea to bomb down any city without avoiding taking massive amounts of innocents lives for obvious humantarian reasons and also from propaganda reasons. It is the last resort you have to avoid greater damage. Now I don't see how I should provide any arguments or prove to that statement other than:

1. Agression will induce more agression. If the city of teheran is bomb to a parking lot, it will trigger a reaction from the whole arabic world and a significant part outside of it. These actions are the seed of terrorism in general. Every american, even more than now, is deemed to be a shooting target. Arabic nations will try to disconnect business with american companies (e.g. oil).

2. It serves no military goal, other than it will enforce Irans decision to develop nuclear weapons and will use arguments of the right to defend itself.

3. It will have a negative effect on the US image world wide as it now would reflect the strong muscled guy who acts like an elephant in a chinashop.

4. Nations like china, north korea and even russia will build up their military forces and expand their influences as they realise that they could be next.

5. The international finance market could react by withdrawing their support for the dollar as it will have a negative effect on the value of the dollar. Alternatively they could increase the use of the Yen, GBP and Euro. This will increase the giant debt of the US already has, but worse, increase the problems to lend money from other countries. After all if countries like china would trade their dollar for the euro, the US will probably bankrupt within a few months.

Now, please give me any countrer argument on what positive effects bombing Teheran would give us?
I just take this stance as an absolute. Now if someone want to bomb down a city, I'd expect very good reasons to do so. So far I did not see any other than some lose argument about the incidents that happened in the revolution of Iran.


Walter,