Tom,

>I am still inclined, respecfully of course, to blame CBMM. The screens work just fine using CBMM 3.01. On one screen I have a timer. Issuing a thisform.CTimer1.Release() before the thisform.Release() does the job. I am willing to concede, as soon as finish typing, that I should read the sections of the new manual dealing with the new Timer object. However the second screen is a bit unusual. I do a CreateObject and then AddObjects in the Init event of the form. I now have to manually Release() each of those objects.>

I gracefully bow and accept responsibility for this one <bg>!

You're right...the Framework is responsible for retaining an object reference to your timers...that's why your form is not releasing. For now, your solution of manually releasing the timers will do the trick. I will work on a solution and let you know what it is.

Sorry for any incovenience!