Ask your co-author Rod Paddock, he probably remembers and won't mind hunting it out for you. ;-)

John,

Given the tenacity of your claims, I would have thought you'd have the information at your fingertips. You seem to recall so many other things so vividly.

If I say that "group XYZ said this an this"....and someone asked me for the specific who and when, I think the LAST thing I'd do is say, "go ask person ABC, he'll remember". I'm asking YOU.

Kevin