>Hi John ---
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>You can manipulate the VFP toolbars by using SHOW WINDOW and HIDE WINDOW commands with the name ion the titlebar of the toolbar in quotes, ie:
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>SHOW WINDOW "standard"
>SHOW WINDOW "form controls"
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>etc.....

Many thanks for your answer but:
Problem is that only works if the toolbar(s) are hidden. It does not work from ether the command window or a prg if they do not already exist. Try removing them under view - toolbars. These commands then do not work. When my prg abbends with them hidden they are gone. I am guessing there are internal names or some internal functions I can call. I would also like a way to move them with a prg.


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>>Does anyone know how to minipulate the standard VFP toolbars? I would like to create a prg to open and move them. I know how to hide and show them. The code is in the sample apps. I am getting tired of having to put them back after my app crashes during development. When that happens and they are hidden the only way I can get them back is with a lot of mouse clicks and draging. If anyone can give me the names and how to do this I will put the prg out for everyone.