>I won't be making that mistake in .NET. My clients don't pay me to write frameworks . I need to concentrate on solving business problems, not impressing other geeks. < g >

But then it doesn't have the same feel-good value :). In my experience, my best users were programmers. I've always seen myself as a toolmaker... well, ever since I wrote one, which was about a few months after I learned Fox.

This type of users gives you the pleasure of the knowable peers using what you wrote. Except that, in my case, they weren't customers. Doesn't pay that much.