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MasFoxPro (MoreFoxPro) Open message to the community
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07/04/2007 00:15:15
 
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Well, if a former Fox Team PM can do it, a former Fox Team Test can. I have signed the petition.

Although, frankly, I would be amazed if anything came of it. Pablo, we eat and breathe FoxPro and we know how useful it is. .Net is cumbersome to say the least in the sorts of installations where Fox excels. But the big guys there don't see it that way...most of them don't even know what Fox is or thought it died a long time ago.

Moving VFP to Open Source won't happen and, even if it did, what then? Who's gonna maintain the code? There aren't a lot of C++ gurus in the Fox world AFAIK. It's an extraordinarily complex codebase with a mix of C and C++.

The only thing I can see that might work is if some group with deep pockets offered MS big bucks for the code and signed contracts to black box some intellectual property.

MS likes to think that they think globally but I don't think they do insofar as the dev world. I remember back in the planning stages for VFP 8 I suggested to Ken and others that we have a $99 stripped down version of VFP for foreign markets. With the cost to launch a new SKU and the size of the team, it wasn't practical and I don't think others agreed with me as well.

That's where I think some stupidity lies - the inability to appreciate the foreign market. I've been told that some 3rd world developers may only make a few hundred dollars on a delivered application. This is with Fox where the cost to the customer is nothing above the basic hardware and software requirements. Now...with .Net the development time is greater because of the lack of true visual inheritance and the lousy data story and the hosting bar is higher in terms of modern hardware and Win versions. How do you sell that?

Funny, though, someone at MS Access has their smart hat on because if you look at the marketing documents for Access 2007 you see that they're trying to jump into this breach.

Then again, one could argue that VFP 9 is so feature complete that there is no need for a VFP 10 for the foreseeable future as long as VFP is updated to work and play well with later versions of Windows and SQL. There is nothing preventing VFP developers delivering VFP 9 solutions to customers this year or 5 years from now. I'm struck by the number of VFP 6 solutions still prevalent as mainline enterprise solutions...that's 1997 technology.

VFP offers a simple, flexible, and low-footprint means to deliver powerful desktop and networked business solutions. Nothing else in the MS product line, except (maybe) Access, can make that claim. There's a hole there but they just don't see it.

MS didn't keep VFP around because of the product or the tech gap I described - they did it because of sales to the faithful. A shame.


>This is a message to inform you of the MasFoxPro (MoreFoxPro) campaign and encourage you to support it.
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>We suppose your already know that Alan Griver announced that there would be no Visual Foxpro version 10. You can find it at:
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>http://blogs.msdn.com/yag/archive/2007/03/13/message-to-the-vfp-community.aspx
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>and:
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>http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vfoxpro/bb308952.aspx
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>Both announcements lack a convincing explanation or logical reason why Microsoft decided not to release a new version of Visual FoxPro.
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>This announcement has been a major blow to the FoxPro community. This is especially true for the medium and small application developers (the vast majority of developers in Visual FoxPro), that have many years of Visual FoxPro code. It is not practical or cost effective to attempt to move these applications to Microsoft's recommended development environment (.NET). The community must rethink its future development platform.
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>This campaign was created as an idea that originated in the Spanish FoxPro Microsoft newsgroups. Mas stands for more in Spanish. PortalFox and the MVPs that manage PortalFox, as a part of the community, decided to offer a way (hosting and support) to let the community to express itself and promote this campaign.
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>March, 22th of 2007, a Wiki called MasFoxPro was created at:
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>http://www.masfoxpro.com
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>This campaign is not only focussed on collecting signatures. It covers more actions. More information regarding this campaign can be found at:
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>http://www.masfoxpro.com/Masfoxpro
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>We encourage you, your user group or web page support this campaign. Long term persistence could possibly give us an opportunity for some kind of success. Anyhow this your opportunity to FoxPro and the FoxPro Community. It is a worldwide campaign, not limited to any specific user groups.
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>If your users group or web page supports this campaign, you can add your URL and data here:
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>http://www.masfoxpro.com/Sponsors
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>If you want to link us (please do it), The official link is::
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>http://www.masfoxpro.com
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>the logo located at:
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>http://www.masfoxpro.com/images/logo.gif
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>Also we ask you to pass this email to other users, user groups, developers, press, blogs, etc. Is quite relevant that this campaign have world wide participation.
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>Thanks for your attention.
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>PD: PortalFox is the main Spanish talking developers portal in Visual FoxPro. With over than 28,000 registered users worldwide, is affectionately known as "El Portal del Pueblo" (People's Portal). More info regarding PortalFox is available at:
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>http://www.masfoxpro.com/PortalFox
>http://www.portalfox.com
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>For more info regarding the MasFoxPro campaign go to his website (http://www.masfoxpro.com) or contact with managers@masfoxpro.com
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John Koziol, ex-MVP, ex-MS, ex-FoxTeam. Just call me "X"
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro" - Hunter Thompson (Gonzo) RIP 2/19/05
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