The latest demonstration of the administration's imperial outlook was when Congress wanted to interview White House aides in the U.S. attorney firing affair. The only way the White House would agree was if the aides did not testify under oath and and no transcripts were made of their testimony. Unbelievable.

Re when we can leave Iraq, we will be there a heck of a long time if we wait until it is "secure and safe." Leave them to their civil war, I say. Yes, we are guilty of unleashing forces that led to the civil war, but we are doing little if any good. All we are doing it trying to keep Iraqis from killing each other. (Quite unsuccessfully). What is our military mission? I don't think there is one. IMO the best thing we can do at this point is try to help them partition Iraq into three parts, then get the hell out of Dodge. Just because we created the mess doesn't mean we have to continue spending American lives and $2 billion a week in a lost cause.


>It will be interesting to see what does occur. Granted, he is considered to have lied based on the interrogation results (oh gosh, don't go there) and declassified documents. Not sure either source is reliable.
>Has Dick Cheney been the master evil mind pulling the strings behind the President all along? Will he take the fall? Hmmmm.. Has the President been knowingly involved in misleading the public all along? Is he a dunce for allowing it to happend? Either case makes us the laughingstock of the world (and we owe a great debt to Iraq and cannot leave until that country is secure and safe)
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>>I'm sensing some sarcasm... or something. ;)
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>>I never considered you a Cheney fan. At 12% or so, what were the odds anyway?
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>>>Kick em out. Kick em all out! (Actually I felt that way when our constitutional bill of rights got trampled all over - I cannot believe America is not demonstrating in the streets over that!)
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>>>>Your reply (IMHO) hints at Cheney being a rogue voice of the Admin. Do you think he's stating positions that the admin would not necessarily want to be put out there, that they dont agree with?
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>>>>If you went with 'Cheney actually KNOWS the truth and distorts it', is that really just a distortion?
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>>>>Do you think he participated in similar behavior pre-war to move public opinion?
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>>>>Whats your take on Feith setting up his own shop and producing intel products that were not vetted by our CIA or DIA, but were instead delivered directly to the admin, whose findings the CIA and DIA disagreed with?
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>>>>>I can't classify it. I do not have personal knowledge as to whether or not Cheney actually KNOWS the truth and distorts it, or was told something different and spoke based on that incorrect knowledge. I'm leaning towards the first, however, who would be stupid enough to lie about something that could eventually be disproven? Who would be stupid enough to have others working under him get away with lying to him? Either way, it is BADDDDDDDD.... Why are you asking me? I have never blindly supported Dick Cheney... I think there is a problem on this forum with attacking Bush at every turn no matter what (not that he and his administration is not guilty for a LOT - I even called for his impeachment here on the UT in the past. You should be able to find it), but I have never blindly supported the administration. Did I miss something?
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>>>>>>How would you categorize Cheney's comments to Rush yesterday, which happens to dovetail nicely with a just-released declassified report on Doug Feith's operation?
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>>>>>>http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002961.php
>>>>>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/05/AR2007040502263_pf.html
>>>>>>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601/
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>>>>>>>I don't know that it was 'no big deal.' I also don't know that in both cases, it was intentional lying or a knowing that what was said was not factual. However, I really don't know and I think it may be the case that we may never know for sure. It is hard to believe a President could intentionally lie about such serious things, but then, oh yeah, I must be living in a dreamworld....
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>>>>>>>>>There you go again, contradicting our prez and supporting the terrorists.
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>>>>>>>>Terrorists? What terrorists? We're talking about governments of two sovereign countries. Who were caught lying, and it was no big deal.
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>>>>>>>>Isn't imitation the sincerest form of flattery?
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>>>>>>>>>>>The bottom line is Iranians were caught intentionally lying... and for what?
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>>>>>>>>>>So was GWB, so what.