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08/04/2007 15:41:43
 
 
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Visual FoxPro
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Other
Environment versions
Visual FoxPro:
VFP 8 SP1
OS:
Windows XP SP2
Network:
Windows XP
Database:
Visual FoxPro
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Thread ID:
01210969
Message ID:
01213291
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>SNIP
>>>But this also applies as a great appeaser - your bank, employer, city, neighbor, whoever, screws you royally (or presidentially - depending on preference), and the "get over it, move on" mechanism is busy right away. While it can be good at preventing disputes between neighbors, it's also good at giving corporations and other powerful entities a free pass. Got screwed? Get over it, move on.
>>>
>>>Which then creates an atmosphere in which those who don't want to forget and don't want to shut up can be painted as whiners, malcontents or any other kind of socially unacceptable dissidents.
>>>
>>>This is, of course, great for keeping the populus under control. They're extinguishing their own fires by themselves, cool, we don't even need to police them or promise them anything. Just make sure to have a few who will say "get over it, move on" at the right time, and nobody will listen to dissidents next time when we do something.
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>>I agree with your description of the mechanism. But I don't believe it's a complot. I assume that those who say "move on" feel urged to rescue people like me and you. Their intentions are probably noble. They think the time to mourn should be over by now. The parent who lost a child and still mourns two years later... what do we do, what do we say, what do we advice? It's often a struggle for many of us. Do we permit further mourning or do we softly say "come, try to move on".
>
>Maybe not a plot (don't know what a "complot" is) but it is an example of using 1 line to fit all situations.

It appears to be a valid English word though: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/complot


>'You're [child/husband/wife/father] died 2 tears ago and it's time for you to move on.' is perfectly sensible.

2 tears? Is that a Freudian typo? :)

On the average, the dead of a child has the most impact and it appears that quite many parents find it difficult to accept, even after many years. Those who dare say "Isn't it time for you to move on?" often get angry reactions, even after two years. A mourning process has several steps and people differ. They have to give it a place in their ideas about life and the world. What happened may have been expected and may fit quite well in those ideas. But it may also be the case that fundamental ideas are broken and first need to be replaced by new ideas. And that may take years.

Some can easilly accept something immediately. Others first need additional steps. In one such step a person can have an information need for the WHYs and HOWs. Those who relatively easilly accepted something may feel superior, but that's not necessarilly the case. In any case, they should be careful telling those others to "move on now" too soon. It's quite arrogant behavior and doesn't show respect. Another time they might be the ones who have trouble to give some experience a place in their life.

Note: I am NOT equalling the stop of VFP development and the dead of a child. And my need for the WHYs is not one step in a mourning process like I'd have in case of the dead of a child.


But "So the bank screwed you. Move on." or "So the product never worked. Move on." and similar are definitely not appropriate for "Get over it. Move on.".
>Nor is "Learn another language now that VFP is grandfathered." appropriate... like learning another language is a simple task.
>
>Nor is "The writing's been on the wall for a long time" appropriate. FPD/FPW lost lots of programmers when The Gartner Group declared that FP was bought by Microsoft to improve Access and be summarily killed. Here, in Toronto, that news decimated the FP population (even before VFP happened) because Gartner was a highly subscribed service and trusted.
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>It is not my style to just be able to code in some language and claim that I "know" it. I need to understand the language and all of its nuances. From what I see of .NET that is a literal impossibility, with thousands of classes. And where would one go if one of those classes was changed for the worse? With VFP the path is clear and fast (not to mention that it isn't likely to happen).
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>"Move on." - the catch-all phrase for this century.
>The only purpose it serves in the business world is to let the big companies continue to get away with the crap they perpetrate on their "customers". Now a "customer" isn't someone that a corporation values, but rather the source of their income to be squeezed while smiling and taking about 'customer care is our #1 priority'. You can always reach the Sales department real easily. But try to reach Service or Support. [and here, of late, an irate customer who happens to use a bit of 'language' in describing his problem is told "I'm sorry, but I don't have to be subjected to this abuse. Good bye."].
Groet,
Peter de Valença

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