Nope. The developers did not report to the Program Manager. They have reported to the Group Manager, at least in the VFP group. Different groups are organized differently and use the same title to mean different things. For example, Beth Massi recently joined the VB team as a Program Manager, but she doesn't write specs nor is she a project manager.

Ricardo was never the VFP Product Manager. He was the Group Manager, meaning had overall responsibility for VFP. The Product Manager before Ken was Robert Green.

Randy also reported to the Group Manager (Ricardo, YAG, etc) and not to Calvin.

I'm not sure what title Eric Rudder had when he was on the Fox team.

>Unless I am completely uninformed, which is always possible, we are talking about two entirely different positions. There were Product Managers like Ken and Ricardo who were responsible for marketing. And then there were Program Managers like Randy and Eric Rudder before him who managed the development group. Tech Leads, i.e. Calvin, report to Program Managers.
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>If you're right that Randy reported to Calvin and not the other way around, I really did miss the boat.