I'm sorry, Walter.
I really can't have a conversation with someone who consider rubbish anything outside of his own view and who thinks that every other developer (even fellow VFP developers) doesn't have a clue about anything beyond what's granted.
Indeed, from you point of view, I don't think why anybody can add anything of value, as you seem to be absolutely sure about knowing everything about "data" and obviously you are really convinced that 90% of the programming world -and I guess I'm too optimistic in my metric- is "lacking realism".
Forgive me if I stop this debate here, but I really can't talk with you. Martin, I think I know you up here well enough to know that this was a difficult post for you to make, and that you took no personal pleasure in it. I also agree with you 100% percent. I stopped debating with Walter a few weeks ago for essentially the same reasons.
Kevin