We saw the plane sticking out of the pentagon on tv. Here is a security camera image:

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/03/07/gen.pentagon.pictures/
And this is interesting:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.html
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1



>>We seem to agree on quite a few things with one very big exception.
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>>As an educated, intelligent person, do you really believe the on September 11 four planes, hijacked by 19 men, 15 of whome were Saudis, did not crash in the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, and a field in Pennsylvania causing the damage that millions witnessed live on the streets of NY and on TV ?
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>>Or do you believe that this happened by was perpetrated by the Mossad to further the aims of the worldwide Jewish conspiracy as outlined in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?
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>>Or that as the Imams taught in 1969 that since it says in the Qu'ran that the moon is a beam of light the socalled American "moon landing" was faked in Hollywood by the Jews in the movie industry?
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>>I can understand that some French intellectuals might be so disconnected from reality that they could buy that Michael Moorish piece of nonsense that hit the best-seller list in France but I would expect a hard headed programmer who has seen lying done by a professional ( the late Slobodan ) would be sceptical of a lie even BinLaden is not trying to put forward. <s>
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>>Just tell me, do you really doubt Al Quaeda - as it has claimed - was responsible for the attack ( as well as that of the first Trade Center bombing, the Cole, and the embassies in Kenya )?
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>After surviving Milosevic,
>I doubt by default everything that is widely proclaimed by mainstream media.
>It is all bunch of lies, until positively (hard evidence) identified as truth :))
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>Now honestly;
>All I can say is that as per your gravity line, what happened does not make any sence not so ever. (2 planes / 3 buildings, 11sec per tower)
>I watched American scientist (will digg his name if you wish) on Greek national television, who prety clearly explained how/why this is not possible. On the other hand official story (pancake effect??) is complete bananas.
>Add to it few other really disturbing questions about event that I hv read on internet like everybody else, and you will find me (as few more people in US) now being really really sceptic.
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>As for Mosad involvement and all other 9/11 related conspiracy theories I can't offer much of an opinion. Whenever something unexplainable happen
>theories are always abundant. My problem in this case is that every
>even half baked conspiracy theory makes much more sence then official story.
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>So I am like everybody else; Disturbed/in disbelieve, not convinced at all
>in official story, while hoping that some truth will eventually hit the light of the day. With one difference, and that would be not being in natural state of denial since I am not American.
>If I was, I wld hv been probably angry at everybody who said that this could hv been 'insider job' as in ; Government/military conspiracy, insurance scam, gold heist and what ever else is on the internet 'light reading' table.
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>So I answered your question, now here are mine
>Q1: (bfwd from previous post)
>How can 2 planes knock down 3 buildings at gravity speed, faster then if you dropped banana from last floor - directly to Isac Newton head ?
>As an intelligent and educated person how do you explain that?
>Does underlying flors 'qualify' at all for atmosphere resistance to falling object(s) ?
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>As for OBL/Al-qaeda;
>What I have problem swalowing, is the fact that bunch of enraged,
>disoriented muslim radicals, lead by person who can barely walk (OBL) and directly from Afgan training camps high up in Afgan highlands/caves,
>can manage to organise such massive attack that require real intelligence, coordination, technology, and foremost well embeded presence on US ground AND to be completely undetected upfront by mighty intelligence agencies of US gov.
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>Simple example;
>If you try to arrange Airport Pickup being on top of Trodos mountains here
>in Cyprus, down from Larnaca airport - you might very easily fail!
>Cellphones do not work, there is no internet and nearest willage
>is let say 30 kilometers. So unless you drive down like like a maniac (personal experience) chances of that person actually being picked
>up by some taxi-service at 02.30am - are very slim!
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>So Q2:
>How does complicated and coordinated action (attack) of this proportions can take place on US ground without any sattelite or ground sniff dogs noticing anything suspicios ?
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>Q3:
>Where is the plane that hit Pentagon ? We all saw explosion broadcasted
>on the news, but no plain not so ever. This was immediately strange to me
>back then, but then questionmark faded away as I was watching horrible pictures of falling towers and all the rest.
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>And finally, most important Q4: (also bfwd from prev post)
>Don't you think that mightiest military power of all times, should
>do little bit more of a research before attacking array of countries,
>and that better mechanisms safeguarding against devostating astray shots
>should be put in place, rather then reacting 'human' at every
>'catalysing' event of tmrw ?
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>>>I don't believe anything will happen with Syria or Egypt. I don't believe
>>>that wahhabi brotherhood is all that strong, and this is where I will disagree with you. I think that there is great degree of myth mounted up
>>>on bunch of scattered radical lowlifes, and all that for daily political purposes of promoting yet another war.
>>>Sir. Robin Cook tought so as well( before he suffered massive stroke while mounteneering) and as per him Al-Qaeda might very well be dBase3+ application!
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>>The Muslim Brotherhood has numerous faces. I take Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya and Al Takfir Wal Hijra quite seriously. Mubareks security apparatus seems to believe they are real and Sadat - well, they made a believer out of him as well. I would shed no tears for al-Assad, to be sure, but I'm sure I wouldn't like those who would replace him any better.
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>>I do agree the actual terrorist cells are probably very few, but I am more concerned about a way of thinking that reminds me of the nihilism of the anarchists at the end of the 19th century. and remember, it was one of them who killed Archduke Ferdinand.
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>>And also, technology today makes it possible for very small numbers of people to wreak unimaginable suffering.
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>>>As I might be distorted by holiwood about fact of life in US (or more by my wife who grew up in NY), I think that there is also great degree of distortion and wrong perception of Islam and middle east countries by ordinary Americans. And more over that this perception was maticulously/gradually built up, along last 10-15 years.
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>>I certainly agree that we have a very imperfect view of Islamic countries and cultures. And whenever there is conflict as there is now there is certainly a tendancy for even more exageration and misunderstanding. And I think this is made worse by the other problem I mentioned in that the voice of modern, intelligent, compassionate Islam often cannot be heard or is afraid to be heard. On a secular level this same problem bedeviled those in Nothern Ireland who wanted peace and the Palestinians and Israelis who wanted to work something out. I weep for the Palestinian people that at a key moment Arafat was able to set the agenda when what they needed was a Ghandi. The Israeli could have been guilted into a reasonable accomodation and a Palestian homeland in the 1950s. But an appeal to force and terror was exactly the wrong approach to take against the Jews only 20 years after WWII. The Palestinians and the Israelis and the Lebanese could have worked together to create a paradise in
>>the Levant. But the men of reason feared to speak out because of threats from the men with guns.
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>>>Reaction afterwards as you said WAS 'human'. And that is exactly scarry part
>>>of this story. Basically, it is enough to scare/steer people in right direction and k-boom - Highest/mightiest military power of all times will react without thinking twice!
>>>In a month or so, far far away country was hit.
>>>Analysis? Investigation ? Trial ? What if they did not do it ?
>>>What is gonna happen after we remove Taliban ?
>>>I don't believe thinking was really clear and analysis was really resourcefull.
>>>WhereAs, Greatest power should imply greatest responsability,
>>>and as you mentioned self restrain.
>>>>( oops, there I go, off on another rant ... sorry, I'm just another frustrated American wondering what we are doing over there and what we are getting in return ... )