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I don't know if you saw the clip of "Family Guy" I posted last week. But I think it hits the nail on the head, althought it is a bit over the top. People buy into that "if you don't support us, you support the terrorists" talk.

In the clip people get upset at Lois, running for mayor, when she proposes a small tax increase to help fund a cleanup project. The crowd erupts in horror at the mention of tax increases. But as soon as she said that the lake cleanup must proceed to help fight the terrorists, people start asking how much more will they need to pay. Hitler has joined forces with Darth Vader to hurt Jesus. People start throwing money at her.

Throughout history, finding a common enemy has been a very productive tactic to help cement the positions of those in charge. Sadly, we are no different.

>There is a lot attributed to President Bush which I don't think he should be solely held accountable for or at least it should be admitted that decisions were made (by all) at the time based on the information available at the time. Hindsight is always 20/20. However, the issue of wire tapping and eroding the bill of rights amazes me. I cannot for the life of me see how impeachment proceedings were not initiated over it.
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>>Here's some of the frontline episode:
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>>http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/05/16/alberto-gonzales-carefully-tailors-warrantless-wiretapping-testimony/
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>>This part was one of the more eye-opening segments. An expert they were talking to at the time said he watched this part several times. And noticed Gonzales several times uttered something like "this particular program". Basically protecting himself legally that could be interpreted later as having something to do with a wire-tap program no one was aware of at the time. Of course leading one to assume that there are other wire tap programs currently in place in addition to the NSA.
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>>>No wonder Gonzales didnt want Comey & Ashcroft to testify regarding the USAGs. Technically speaking, Comey explained, Bush signed the presidential order himself but the signature line for the attorney general to attest to its legality was apparently left blank. And then 2-3 weeks later, Bush agrees to "change" the program so that its "right with the DOJ". To avoid a mass exodus at DOJ and w/ Mueller.
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>>>>Frontline had a good story on the NSA last nite. It should be available on their website if you didn't see it.
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>>>>>> The Attorney General and Supreme Court have ruled that this is within the Constitution. :)
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>>>>>As far as the AG is concerned, the :) is misplaced. Amazing testimony yesterday.
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>>>>>The call came at 8 p.m., Wednesday, March 10, 2004. Attorney General John Ashcroft was in the hospital, struck with a life-threatening case of pancreatitis. Deputy Attorney General James B. Comey was just leaving his office, being chauffeured by his security detail.
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>>>>>"I remember exactly where I was, on Constitution Avenue," Comey testified Tuesday morning before the Senate Judiciary Committee. "And [I] got a call from Attorney General Ashcroft's chief of staff telling me that he had gotten a call."
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>>>>>So begins a remarkable tale that nearly led to the resignation of the Justice Department's senior leadership, an ordeal that was recounted in great detail for the first time Tuesday. Two senior White House officials, Andrew Card and Alberto Gonzales, were headed to Ashcroft's hospital bed, despite the instructions of his wife that there would be no phone calls or visitors. They wanted Ashcroft to sign off on the secret National Security Agency wiretapping program, a program that Ashcroft had already decided to reject before falling ill.
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>>>>>Comey was determined to stop them. "So I hung up the phone," Comey told the committee, and I "immediately called my chief of staff, told him to get as many of my people as possible to the hospital immediately. I hung up, called [FBI] Director [Robert] Mueller and -- with whom I'd been discussing this particular matter and had been a great help to me over that week -- and told him what was happening. He said, 'I'll meet you at the hospital right now.' [I] told my security detail that I needed to get to George Washington Hospital immediately. They turned on the emergency equipment and drove very quickly to the hospital. I got out of the car and ran up -- literally ran up the stairs with my security detail."
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>>>>>The story gets better at this point. Comey's testimony reads like a detective story. Minutes later, there is a showdown in the hospital room. Ashcroft, buffered by his wife and three of his senior deputies, faces down Gonzales and Card and refuses to sign off on the spy program. Gonzales and Card storm out of the room. Card calls Comey and demands that he come to the White House, but Comey refuses to go until he can get Ted Olson, the solicitor general, to accompany him. "After what I just witnessed, I will not meet with you without a witness," Comey tells Card.
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>>>>>The White House meeting produces no breakthrough. So the White House reauthorizes the program without the approval of the Department of Justice, apparently breaking its own procedure. "I prepared a letter of resignation, intending to resign the next day, Friday, March the 12th," Comey said. He expected many other senior Justice Department leaders, including Mueller, to resign as well. Eventually, President Bush steps in to smooth out the waters, overrule his staff and give permission to change the secret spy program to address the concerns of the Department of Justice.
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>>>>>At the hearing, Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., who was leading the questioning, asked the following. "So in sum, it was your belief that Mr. Gonzales and Mr. Card were trying to take advantage of an ill and maybe disoriented man to try and get him to do something that many, at least in the Justice Department, thought was against the law? Was that a correct summation?"
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>>>>>Comey answered directly. "I was concerned that this was an effort to do an end-run around the acting attorney general and to get a very sick man to approve something that the Department of Justice had already concluded -- the department as a whole -- was unable to be certified as to its legality. And that was my concern."

(On an infant's shirt): Already smarter than Bush
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