>>>>>>>>Gregory
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>MSDN forum management did not back him up. And by miracle - since miracles do exist - a bit later there's 'evidence' ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I said I would not reply on this forum, but you have consistently implied that I ( presumably with the connivance of Eric Den Doop ) am making all this up and fabricating evidence to support an international conspiracy against Naomi.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If this is what you really think, have the guts to come out and say it publicly rather than "hinting" and "suggesting". My blog is open for comments so stop hiding here and post your opinion openly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Andy,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I do think this place is open enough
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I am not saying that evidence has been fabricated - how could I ? All I am saying is that it is convenient
>>>>>>>I'm also saying that this has gone too far. I simply cannot understand why
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The end result will be that someone will be banned. To me, it's a bit severe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Andy makes a good case that Naomi used her privileges here to get his password and then log into his account at Foxite. If she's done so, then she has violated the trust of Michel and everyone who uses the UT. I'm not sure she should be banned from this site, however if she misused her privileges - and again the evidence is pretty overwhelming - then she should have those privileges revoked.
>>>>>________
>>>>>Russel,
>>>>>
>>>>>I have said - a couple of lines above
>>>>>
>>>>>>>I am not saying that evidence has been fabricated - how could I ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I have also said that I have doubts. And let me clarify this
>>>>>Doubt means: I cannot believe it. I do not know the lady personally and I cannot believe that she is an evil hacker - judging by the messages I have read from her on the ut
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>As I see it (and I may be wrong)
>>>>>The IP addresses are dynamic. Like mine. If I close the connection to my provider and re-establish a new one, I will have another IP address
>>>>>
>>>>>Reading the blog I see 2 facts
>>>>>(1) A certain Marisha hacked IP 68.163.99.115 from Boston ?
>>>>>(2) 70.23.12.52 was used to hack on 05/28/2007 11:08:28 PM
>>>>>That same dynamic address was used by Nadya on 05/29/2007 11:31 PM which is 24 hrs later
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>See, Russel, my (human) reaction is: I cannot believe it
>>>>>This does not mean that it did not happen.
>>>>>
>>>>>But I find it hard to believe. But then, I may not be very good at judging characters
>>>>
>>>________________
>>>>I'm kind of with you on this. If Naomi has a static IP, then how did she 'hack' from more than one IP address, and if they're dynamic, then what IP she gets is the luck of the draw. She may get the same one more than once, and when she doesn't, somebody else will.
>>>>
>>>>Like you, I don't really know what happened. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't, but if you're going to accuse somebody in public of being an evil hacker, then your evidence had better be air tight and not just circumstantial as this seems to be.
>>>________
>>>Alan,
>>>
>>>
>>>Ok, Nadya may be a bit different. She may not know the rules of posting a link or copying the code + author
>>>But to be honnest, those rules are not clear to me either
>>>
>>>If I look at the evidence, I can think, but I do not know
>>>I could not stand and watch someone being beaten in public. Call it stupid, I do not know, but that is how I felt. I am not ashamed of having said so.
>>>
>>>Now supposing, just supposing she did. What is in there for here ? I mean, if I could log in to your account on a place like the ut or so, what can I do or use ? What would be the benefit to me ? That is one of the reasons I said: I cannot believe it
>>
>>I was thinking along the same lines ;
>>Girl got hurt by being banned on another forum and performed
>>a bit obsessive (as woman can be) private investigation which was apparently caught by yet another obsessive 'contrainvestigation'. I bit to much of b-movie or soap/saga flavour for my taste. Especially with such high profile
>>cast involved.
>>
>>I find this whole thing with credentials/credit cards etc, blown way out of proportions; Next to all those world fraudsters and real hackers we are gonna fear who; Naomi to go after our funds ?? Give me a break...
>>I don't believe CreditCard info is available even to MichaelF himself!
>>Clutter like this damages this whole forum (private venture) and I find it really unfair to MichaelF/UT.
>>
>>What Naomi did was chilldish, naive, wrong and all that, but now we might witness 'Curiosity killed the cat' kind of a situation on a member we all know for years and who helped many of us on numerous occasions. Sad to say at least.
>>
>>To Naomi;
>>You got pretty strong support here at the begin of this whole thing,
>>but you simply could not hold your horses and stay away from there. Now you made all those who supported you - think twice before standing by your side
>>ever again.
>>Even fake ID/passw on another forum is simply NOT DONE, if you are publicly involved with HQ forum like UT, not to even mention the rest. So I really hope you will stop doing that for your own good.
>>I also think that after this latest turn of events, you owe big apology to Foxite moderators (you admited fake aliases), and additionaly big thks to AndyK for not pursuing this case any further.
>>
>>Wish you all the best, and hope to see you again arround here.
>
>______________
>Do you find conclusive evidence in the blog that Nadya hacked the account ? If so, please show me

I don't know / will hv to reread. Did not really investigate all that hard.
Way it was put together on AndyK blog pointed prety much in this direction.
Nonetheless, even stunt with Fake.ID in her case (moderator here) is IMHO enough for a sharp critisizam.

What I just don't understand is ;
WHY? / From where is all that *intensity* on both sides, and why it had to turn so ugly. We are all suppose to be part of a great community, which should find the ways to work things out in case of missunderundings, in a more civil way.

And then at the end, this (predictable?) story about credit cards, UT security etc. Kind of makes you wander what/who is real target here.