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First of all, I don't think that shah was worse than ayatollah. Secondly, the last time I checked Dragan was not an Iranian, so it's quite unreasonable to use 'other eyes' argument for this case. I would put it in more general way: people are all the same, they just have different views: in Iran, America etc. The excuse about national or historical or any other specific is sometimes used when fact does not fit to argument and the former needs to be ignored.
Now few words about 1953 particular case. Iranian premier wanted to nationalize British oil interests and so the latter supported another political force that arranged the coup and send him to exile. There is no proof that CIA ever intervened, or even more, that US gov't was somehow responsible. Listen, one may find enough web links saying that USA supported Saddam in the war with Iran and Bin Laden in the war with Soviets. These kind of 'links' got originated by people who are driven by their political passion: blame US first. Again, I don't say they cannot have the passion; but I'm strongly against making their passion acceptable.

>Hi Ed,
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>It is a serious issue and one we created ourselves. 50 years is indeed a long time ago and it involved a totally different administration. However, 50 years to Iranians is yesterday given their long history. In that sense I agree with Dragan. We may not understand the views of Iranians, but then we are not looking at it through the same eyes and with the same history.
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>>>>>>>Well they do have some beef with the USA - which is another such lamb. Their democratically elected government was overthrown courtesy of the West, and they were saddled with that ridiculous Shah for a couple of decades. Now if someone just revoked the US constitution and set a kingdom here, with the explicit intent to make sure the Texas and Gulf oil (and profits thereof) flow into their general direction, and then the US managed to get back to be a republic again, everything would be forgotten after just one generation, right?
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>>>>>>The idea that 'West' (USA?) is somehow responsible for Iran coup in 1953 is created/supported by apologists of current Tehran regime.
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>>>>>So? Nazis, communists, ultra-right wingers and anarchists agree that the Earth is round. That some of them are wrong on many other issues doesn't make the Earth flat.
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>>>>So concentrate more on geological issues.
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>>>Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi
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>>>born Oct. 26, 1919, Tehrn, Iran
>>>died July 27, 1980, Cairo, Egypt
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>>>Shah of Iran (1941–79), noted for his pro-Western orientation and autocratic rule.
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>>>After an education in Switzerland, he replaced his father, Reza Shah Pahlavi, as ruler when the latter was forced into exile by the British. His rule was marked by a power struggle with his premier, Mohammad Mosaddeq, who briefly succeeded in deposing him in 1953; covert intervention by British and U.S. intelligence services returned him to the throne the next year. His program of rapid modernization and oil-field development initially brought him popular support, but his autocratic style and suppression of dissent, along with corruption and the unequal distribution of Iran's new oil wealth, increased opposition led by exiled cleric Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. In 1979 Pahlavi was forced into exile.

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>>>Now you guess the source.
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>>I don't believe that you misunderstood me to such an extent that you think that your innocent copy and paste may change the topic. It is not about who will find more web links to fit the argument. It is about more serious thing.
>>My point was that you willingly use 50-years old link to justify and support words and deeds of today's extremism. I don't question your right to have these opinions. However, you should not expect from me any resemblance of respect to your views.
Edward Pikman
Independent Consultant
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