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28/06/2007 18:57:18
 
 
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Depends a lot on the teaching method. For spoken language pattern drilling requires virtually no teaching skills, just knowledge of the method and a native speaker pronunciation. Learning grammar etc is a whole different thing and requires both teaching and linquistics knowledge. That's how I learned French in college and the reason I couldn't speak it when I got out even though I half of my research in French my senior year.

The pattern drilling method is based on the way we learned our mother tongue, not teaching the grammar rules or even reading and writing until you can speak and understand without translating. Really wish I'd learned French or Spanish that way.




>So where does the ability to teach come into all this? Just because somebody can speak a language doesn't mean they have the talent to teach it well.
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>There is a DJ on Jazz FM here in Toronto (Heather Bambrick) who is great with accents. She once talked about having a French teacher back in Newfoundland who had a very thick Scottish brogue. She started to demonstrate talking French with a Scottish accent and it positively cracked me up.
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>>>I'm not Terry or Dragan (nor do I aspire to be), but IMO it is discrimination. Employment requirements should be to pass a test. Make a French test as hard to pass as you want to limit your potential employees. But a non-native French speaker that passes the test is as qualified as anybody else.
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>>>Now, if you prefer only answers by Terry or Dragan, you can disregard this one.
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>>Well, I often tarry since my a$$ is draggin' so I'll jump in.
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>>I think the native speaker requirement is reasonable, if they are teaching spoken language. ( though with the Dutch it gets trickier - the only non-native speakers of English I have ever met with no discernible accent were Dutch )
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>>I am sure the point is not "language developments" or correct grammar but a native speaker accent. If I were running an English language school i would look for native speakers and those with accents that represented the most vanilla flavor in the their home country ( BBC - home counties, TV anchor-person US etc ) simply in fairness to the students. If they could reproduce regional dialects for students for demonstration purposes, great, but for basic drilling ( and spoken English is generally taught through TEFL methods ) it is not fair to drill heavy Cajun, Bawstun, Cornwall, Highland Geordie etc.
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>>I prefer French as it is spoken in Africa, simply because it easier for me to understand or as they speak it in Langue d'Oc since it sounds more like Spanish to my ear, but for a teacher I want a someone from Tours or Paris. ( actually, I learned most of my spoken French from Levantines in Istanbul and Izmir and I am told I sound like a Corsican gangster in a bad 50s film <g> )
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>>I did have a friend, a girl from Texas, who taught in a junior high school in Eastern Turkey and not only did she speak Turkish with a Texas accent but her kids spoke English like Joe Bob Briggs.


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