>>>>>>>Ya know now this has me so tweeked that to prove a point (or, I suppose prove me wrong) that I'm going BACK to the Home Depot before I come to the office tommorrow and take a little survey.
>>>>>>>I'm going to toss out a number - lets say 8 out of 10 (80%) will not either a SS card or a green card.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Does anyone want to toss out a number?
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>>>>>>Around here, it would probably be at least 9 out of 10. For awhile it got so bad that I couldn't even take my pickup truck to Home Depot early in the morning because half a dozen men would jump in the back.
>>>>>
>>>>>Oook. Poll results:
>>>>>Number of job seekers: 41
>>>>>Number of guys it green cards: 2
>>>>>Number of guys with SS card: 1
>>>>>Number of admiting to using stolen ID: 11
>>>>>Number not wanting to answer: 4
>>>>>Number of guys with USA driver's license: 1
>>>>>Number speaking fluent english: 4
>>>>>Number speaking some english: 3
>>>>>
>>>>>I was rather suprised how straight forward these guys were. One thing I didn't take into account was the stolen id's, which all said they found at flea markets. Even more funny was that 3 of the guys were using the exact same ID - only thing different was the picture...haha
>>>>>Out of the 37 willing to answer only ONE - just one was a USA citizen and only two had green cards....anyway guess I'll let the numbers speak for themselves......
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>>>>But the question remains. Were those 3 guys "obviously illegal"?
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>>>Well - when I suggested that there was a bunch of obviously illegal aliens I wasn't trying to imply that all members of the group were or attempt in my mind to detmine which were and which were not. I figured that it's be 80% and I was pretty close.
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>>>>I think most of us understood what you meant, but I have to agree that 'obviously illegal' is a very poor choice of words.
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>>>It was a bad way to word it only because some people WANTED it to be a bad way to say it. I think everyone has had a clear understanding of what I meant from the begining and this 'everyone is a racist' spin it took is simply ridicilious. I said the group was obviously a bunch of illegal aliens - and guess what? - the group is made up of a bunch of illegal aliens - and it was obvious - so how can this be a poor choice of words? It is what it is...
>>>One part of me wants to back down and just say it was a bad choice of words because it started an argument - but the other 1/2 of me says to stand firm because there was nothing wrong with the comment to begin with and the only reason the arugment exists is because someone wanted to put a 'polictial correctness - everyone is a racist' tag on it and it's just not the case. Arrrggg!
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>>The problem is your assumption. Not whether it was true or not - and I have my doubts about the donuts/pig story - but rather that you assume that they were. If you are unable to discern that as the issue, not whether they actually are illegal or not, then there's no point in continuing in the discussion. If you assume that a gathering of blacks are all going to like Ludicris, and later find out they do, it does not mean that your assumption was not biased. It means that it was correct in this situation, but the attitude that led you to make the assumption in the first place is the problem. This is why many whites think that there are no real racial issues any more. They are unable to see what makes it an issue.
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>Ok so the problem is my assumption and it doesn't matter if the assumption was right or wrong. I still don't see the issue with my assumption though - to me it's just common sense...and I explained how I came to my conclusion with those 7 points. I guess if this type of assumption makes be biased then I have a character flaw I was unaware of...

Sweet! I win! Ha-ha!

I'm kidding, I guess it's just a button with me for personal reasons and I'm quite aware of it in general.