>>>>>>>>...because this is exactly the Milošević style of screwing people up, never too many at a time, so you never get a critical mass which would complain loud enough. By the time the problem becomes widespread, it's too late.
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>>>>>>>I completely agree that there is a lot injustice to be addressed and I always feel we are not getting our money's worth out of our governments. but I also have low expectations that government is qualified to social engineer solutions to many of these problems. I believe many can be solved, but only by the private sector creating win-win situations where a solution is accepted because it works rather than mandated because "the experts" have decided it is good for us.
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>>>>>>Unfortunately, most corporations have no interest in 'win-win'. They are only interested in 'win'. What happens on the other side of the hyphen is of no real interest to them.
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>>>>>Well those "win" only companies don't last too long.
>>>>>Isn't one of the goals of corporations to satisfy their customers so they can stay in business?
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>>>>Yes and no. They need to stay in business, but they really only need to satisfy their shareholders or owners to do it. Look at Walmart. They sell junk made in China, treat their staff like serfs, and they have been and continue to be huge. Or how about Nike with their foreign manufacturing where they have people working in horrible conditions for pennies because of a lack of laws requiring any sort of humane conditions, and all so they can sell shoes at 250-300 dollars a pop. This is a win-win? The attitude is generally, put out the least to reap the most. It works. It's business. You've heard the expression, "there are no morals in business"? Well, for my money that is just a statement of fact.
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>>>>What they aren't allowed to sell here or in the U.S. because of health etc laws, they sell in the third world where the laws are lax, and do it without a qualm. Is this win-win, or is it just 'win'.
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>>>>These are some of the largest and most successful companies. Oh, yes that attitude can keep them on top for a very long time.
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>>>Satisfy the shareholders and keep cost down.... what do you expect?
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>>I expect nothing else. I'm not sure how this translates to win-win (unless you exclude everybody but owners and shareholders).
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>>>Now, I wouldn't want Walmart springing up everywhere, but they do provide descent products at a cheap price and provide jobs to those that want to work. I think the critics of Walmart and other mega-super stores are way too... what's the word? .... way too "critical". Sure the service can be down right sucky at times and the their merchandise aren't always top-notch, but, hey, it's Walmart.
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>>Would you want to work for Walmart, and be treated the way they treat their staff?
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>What do you do if you don't like working for your employer? ..... LEAVE!
>Heck, if you don't like being a cashier or a stock-boy (or even a store's general manager), learn some other skill and move on.

It's always so easy for someone who doesn't have to work there. We have people here in Canada, and I assume you do in the U.S. too, who are qualified engineers, doctors, etc, and who end up driving cabs, flipping burgers, or clerking for Walmart because things are not on a level playing field.

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>I think the better question is if you don't like what you do for a living, how/why did you end up do it?

In many cases, I just told you how. Let us also not forget those many people who simply do not have the talent/ability to be a programmer, or an accountant. I know it's hard to believe in view of your constitution, but in fact, it's not true that everyone is created equal. In order for the average IQ level in a country to be where it is, many people must fall below that level. Should they then be treated as something less than you and I simply because they can't learn to do the sorts of jobs you and I can learn to do?

This reminds me very much of a statement our late transportation minister made here in Ontario, about 12 years ago when he cut back drastically on highway patrols. "If you get into trouble, just use your cell phone to call for help." This was at a time when cell phones were not a dime a dozen and far fewer people owned them. The point he missed was that just because he could afford a cell phone, he expected everyone else had one too, and just because you can learn to do many jobs, you expect that everybody else can too. That assumption is incorrect.

>The point is I don't work at Walmart store and I don't have to if I don't want to, in fact nobody has to. Tho, I guess working at their corporate office as an IT "specialist" is not much different from working for any other corporate office USA.

You're probably right. So?

>Alan, if you can build a company that hires tens of thousands of people and can pay each employee minimum of $20.00 per hour plus all the usual benefits, do it. You'll be my hero.

I work for a company that has tens of thousands of people around the world, and they are all paid a proper wage, and they are all treated reasonably, nor are we unionised. Yes it can be done. The better companies do it. Walmart has enough profits that they could easily do it. They choose otherwise out of greed.