Much like Portland, OR. There is a pretty good bus service to/from downtown but only within the city limits of course, but the rail is strictly to the tech park and back (thanks to Al Gore I think) unless it has changed since I was there. Not a good mass transit system at all. In some cities the bus system is just too much trouble to use or too dangerous. I think some cities come closer to a good mass transit system, but nothing in comparison to London and others. I've used many here - Portland, San Francisco and Oakland, Seattle, New York, San Antonio, and a few others.


>>>The issue is that in the suburbs, generally, public transit stinks, so getting anywhere on the bus involves multiple transfers and too long a ride. No one does that unless they have to.
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>>Have you been to Toronto? Sounds like it. We have the major part of the city and the suburbs (known as the 905 because of the area code). One of our illustrious city councillors took a trip across the top of Toronto from the east end to the west end through the 905 regions using the various bus systems. It took an entire day. IIRC, about 13 hours.
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>I have been to Toronto several times, but you're not alone. Here in Philly, it's easy to get in and out of downtown and harder to get anywhere else. In addition, inside the city, there are lots of buses and other systems. As soon as you cross the city limit, there are fewer, though there is commuter rail that goes quite far, but only through downtown (or as we refer to it, "Center City").
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