And I wonder when you will start answering my responses to you reasoning why to use SPs ?? You explicitely asked us to participate in a constructive discussion, but again you seem to chicken out.

Walter, ENOUGH. I've already made the case for the use of stored procs. If you want to ask specific questions, I'll answer them, but I will debate this topic no more. Stored procs are generally the best way to go, and the majority of installations use them. It's not my problem if you don't agree.

What I'm about to say is similar to what Martín Salías said to you a few months ago in Message #1219155, when he said that he couldn't talk with you anymore....except that I'm not as nice as he is. (Funny how you didn't say he was chickening out...). I'd suggest anyone else who is viewing this post should also read Martín's message.

- I'd can it with the 'chicken out' talk if I were you - I make more technical contributions up here than you do.

- I've actually been privately criticized by a few for wasting my time in these debates with you. Part of me wishes these individuals would come forward with their comments, though you (Walter) have openly acknowledged a level of stubbornness and arrogance that I doubt ANY feedback would make a difference to you.

- It seems that many debates between us wind up with you learning something that you previously didn't know. I sure don't feel obligated to help someone's learning curve, when they'll eventually turn around and mouth off the way you do. If I felt I was somehow 'gaining' something in these debates, maybe I'd continue - but I can honestly say I've gained zero knowledge or valuable insight from you in these discussions.