>>>There is a quiz show here called "University Challenge" 2 Unis' team of 4 compete for the "starter question" on the buzzer (no conferring). Whichever gets it right gets 10 points, then 4 bonus Q's for the team to discuss, before the next starter, and so on. If you buzz before the Q's finished, and get it wrong, you get 5 points deducted.
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>>>Now some wiseacres abuse this system, buzz first and think second. The quizzmaster's too astute not to not know when they're pulling a fast one though, though he does give a few secs' grace - benefit of the doubt.
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>>>It's one of teh few quizzes where a team can get into negative points due to trigger-happy no-nothings.
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>>>My favourite TV quiz as it's a bit more high-brow than your average.
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>>>BTW it's been on TV, besides a break of a few years, for as long as I can remember.
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>>Interesting. There was (and probably still is) a similar intellectual game in Russia a while ago called "Brain Ring".
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>Sounds like something the soviets would use to "get answers" from their detainees :-)
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Well, the word 'Ring' has several meanings :)

I have a children book with pictures where some English words are played upon such as

Box in a ring
Ring in a box

Train for a race
Race for a train

etc.