Just for completion (closure?) it's usual to give the solution, for others' enlightenment.

>Sorry, I've worked around it so dont worry.
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>Thanks
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>>Hi All,
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>>I think I'm being dumb here, not the first time either.
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>>I have a form that I'm calling with something like:
>> DO FORM SUBSTR(xfsys->xf_prog,6) name oForm
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>>but when I call the form I need to position it so the actual code is:
>> DO FORM SUBSTR(xfsys->xf_prog,6) name oForm
>> oForm.Left = (((_vfp.width - oNavigation.width)/2) - (oForm.Width/2)) + oNavigation.Width
>> oForm.Top = (((_vfp.Height-110)/2) - (oForm.Height/2))
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>>What currently happens is the form pops up on screen and then is repositioned, this looks a little clunky to say the least. So I thought i'd set the visible property of the form baseclass to .F., position the form then show it. This doesnt seem to work, I have checked the actual form, not the baseclass, and its visible property is also set to .F.. I do have some code in the activate method and its here that it seems to be changing it to .t..
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>>What am I missing here, other than a few brain cells, should this approach work or am I off the mark?
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>>Any help appreciated.
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>>Thanks
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>>Jon