Don't know what you're talking about or why.....
Seems like you've misunderstood me completely.


>>>>The idea is to teach them discipline before they become 6'4" 250 gorilla. :-)
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>>>Agreed, and that's my point. If you teach little kids that the biggest, strongest person wins (which is what corporal punishment does), then when they become the biggest, strongest person, you're in trouble.
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>>hmm.. Who said anything about the biggest and the strongest always winning? Why do you equate punishment with such nonsence?
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>Nonsense? What other message do you get when those who are supposed to get you to behave can not explain the reasons for it by any other means but force? Let me spell it then: the message is that force works, and that you must have it when you grow up. Then you'll show them.
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>Except that by that time you've grown up... and haven't learned how to explain to your kids (or students, for that matter) why exactly should they do this and never do that... which is too bad, they may actually understand. Instead, you repeat the lesson you learned as a kid: force works. And since you've learned to respect your elders but are still pis*ed on them for beating you, you don't exact your revenge on them. You pick on those who are trying to do what you once did, and want to get away with it. Well, not on your watch.
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>And so it goes in circles.
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>But as with any vicious circle, the catch-22 exists for the sake of those who know how to get out of it. It's quite simple: don't repeat what you didn't like when it was done to you.
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>[this is the metaphorical 'you' - for all I know, you may have grown free as a bird]
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>>I don't know any parent who punish his child just because they can. those who do should be locked up.
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>>When kids understand why they're being punished.... well, kids understand.
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>Kids do have a sense of justice. And if the punishment is perceived to be unjust, you have a problem.
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>>I'm not necessarily talking corporal punishment, but I don't rule it out either... tho I don't see what military rank has anything to do with it. :)
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>The army (et al) is just a codified behavior described above. The drill sergeant is a sadist because his drill sargent was a sadist and now outranks him. And they both believe that it's good to be so, because that builds the morale etc.