I was thinking of San Franciso, CA and Portland, OR when I mentioned there were some metro areas with some upscale neighborhoods near downtown. :o) I guess I should have stressed very upscale :o)




>Of course this is all anecdotal but there are some extremely affluent areas in and around downtown Chicago. And I'm pretty sure Manhattan and San Francisco are the same.
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>>Interesting. Here, most, not all, of the neighborhoods close to the city are not where you'd want to live. Those with money, drive. Those without, walk or take the bus inside the city (the only place there is a bus unless you live in one of a only a few metro areas with a good mass transit system). At one time, most city neighborhoods (near downtown) were populated with families, then later senior citizens, but now it is mostly low-income housing. There are some exceptions (upscale downtown or uptown areas), but in the metro areas I've lived that has been the case.
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>>>No I'm not forgetting (as I never considered it in the 1st place). I just wasn't sure whether it was a circular or reversing route (the norm)and neither of you seemed to make that clear.
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>>>So if the "1st" stop in the morning were 10 miles out of town, and the last just 1 mile from school, then in the afternoon the driver would schlepp all the way out 10 miles, to drop off the kid who was 1st in the morning, while all the others who live close by would be looking out longingly as they're taken farther and farther away from their destn?
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>>>THis brings to mind the unfairness of travel to work. You have a multitude of people who work in London and live around it. The richer people who can afford to live close in, only have a short, cheap Tube ride in while the hoi poloi, who have to live way out in the sticks, get to pay a fortune to commute in. Doesn't seem fair. There should be a flat fare no matter how far away you live. In Brighton here there is a flat bus fare no matter how far you travel in the city bounds. I recall Boston had a brilliant T system (bus and subway) which was, when I was last there (c. 1991), a mere 30c a trip.
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>>>>You're forgetting the distance here a school bus travels each day is far greater. My daughter's bus ride one way was for some an hour and a half. Also, many schools are schools of choice. You can pick which school your child attends so the buses must cover greater distances to pick up the kids in order to pick up kids from other districts and get them to school on time. They all tend to be 'circular' routes. I never liked the reverse route method, I felt it was unfair. However, the schools left it up to the bus drivers.
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>>>>>>If the bus takes the same route each way, then first on should be first off. However, in Haley's case, the bus took the reverse route in the afternoon which made her the last one off the bus (or almost the last one anyway).
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>>>>>If by "same route each way" means it's a circular route then I can understand that. But you said "each way", so consider the following:
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>>>>>Tamar's House..............................................................................................school
>>>>>Stop1................Stop2.....stop3..............stop4...................stop5............stop6...........stop7
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>>>>>C'mon?
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>>>>>Tamar's kids have to go through stops 2 - 7 to get off at school. The return route is stop7 - stop1 for home. The kids who got on at stop6 only have one stop each way.
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>>>>>>>>>My daughter had to be outside waiting for the bus (well, she was in the car with me waiting for her school bus) at 6:30am in the 5th grade. School started at 7:30 and she was one of the first stops on and the last off the bus everyday.
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>>>>>>>>Our district is small enough that most of the buses run the same route morning and afternoon. So first on in the morning is first off in the afternoon. That's a lot more fair.
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>>>>>>>Eh?
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>>>>>>>Wouldn't 1st on be the farthest from the destination (school), so in the afternoon, still the farthest to return, so the last?