>>>Can't expect anything to be independent as long as everything needs to be financed.
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>>Yup, it is not left vs. right -- it is top vs. bottom.
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>Cross my hand with silver and I will do the rest! :)

Ha, funny reference Tom. Also, I'd add that my assertion was not a political one. It was anthropological. Top Down is still with us. There was a era when conditions meant it was a biologically intelligent adaptation. Now that party is over. But we've got some slow learners among us. ;-)