>>The irony is, his message was propaganda too, even by his own definition - what he said was repeated umpteen times on UT and on the media.
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>Are you still saying his first message was propaganda?
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>>He then promptly change his definition for propaganda, saying "I do not think that stating fact is propaganda no matter how often it is stated. Stating fiction repeatedly while stifling fact is propaganda." Well, that is plain wrong, you must be very naive to believe that.
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>So what - I don't sit around thinking

Obviously...

about the definition of propaganda all the time and I'll bet he doesn't, either. I do think of propaganda as lies, but as the Wikipedia entry points out, it is often most effective when the truth is selectively used (NOTE: Nowhere in that definition does it say that lies are never used as propaganda). And that's correct, but so what? The ultimate point is to perpetuate a lie even if partial truths are used to achieve that goal, so what sticks in people's minds is that propaganda is about lies.
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>>You make a lot of assumptions. Your question is aggressive and insensitive, and, more importantly, beside the point, but if it makes you sleep better, here is my answer: YES, I believe the events in Tienanmen square happened, and YES, I believe the Holocaust happened.
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>Glad to know that, but if your answer to my first question above is that Bill's first post was propaganda, then we are back to square one. If he says those denials of Tianemen square and the Holocaust were propaganda and you say that that very statement is propaganda, then it distinctly appears that you support those lies. Unless you are continuing to argue over the exact meaning of the word propaganda and if you are, then just get over it. Lies can be propaganda. Truth can be propaganda. People have different takes on it. To sit around splitting hairs over this is insane.

Glad you got my answer to an insensitive question, but insinuating I lied? Very nice!
What is insane is that you are still missing the point. I did what I could, so I'll stop here.