> So, I do not think it is fair to want/demand any MVP_VFP to take a position
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>Greg,
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>I generally agree with your comments....one point, however...
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>To me, it wasn't a matter of wanting or demanding - I expected more out of them here. Some of the individuals who posted their views on issues like JVP, suddenly don't want to talk about this up here.
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>The Krameks seemed quite eager to post about what Naomi did back in June, and also eager to broadcast their views on her work/posting habits, with some pretty strong statements....but (it would appear) less eager to provide explanation for their actions on the very forums where they posted about her.
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>I have to say this, because it's been on my mind for some time now. Andy acknowleged here on the UT that he was asked (by someone he respected) to essentially drop the infamous hacking issue re: Naomi. That's around the time when we saw the "this matter is now closed once and for all" from Andy. And then a short time later, roughly two months (if our collective general reconstruction of the facts is correct), the letters are sent. Unless I'm missing some huge significant facts...if I were the individual who originally asked Andy to "back off", saw a public statement as such, and then learned about letters being sent, I'd be pretty hacked off.
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>If anyone is reading this and thinking, "no, you don't have all the facts"....by all means, please speak up.
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>A question...is it not reasonable to believe that if they had the time to complain and protest about Naomi, as well as the time to compile statistics about Naomi's online activities and draft correspondances to Naomi's employer, they would also have the time to provide some kind of public online explanation?
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>According to Naomi, as of yesterday, she has not heard from the Krameks since she was terminated. If this is indeed true (and I sincerely hope that Naomi is being honest), that is perhaps the saddest aspect of all.
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>IMO, a strong community can withstand adversity.
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>What we've seen here is not a model of strong community leadership.
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Kevin,

I could not agree more.

Yes, Andy has lied to 'someone he respects'. I guess he reluctantly gave in - by words and not by heart

I also agree that it is time, if not for an apology from the K's, then at least for an explanation. They have spent time to complain/write letters/statistics, so I guess a bit of additional time won't matter to them as they are self-employed.

Why am I not surprised they did not contact her ? What for ? Apologize ? I would like to see that happen. (Pigs will fly) And even then it could not repair all the damage that has been done.

This situation may occur again should the K's decide that there is anyone else they do not like

That is why I said that it is important for the 'common' to speak aloud here to express their disgust. Not only for the past but also for the future.

I do not expect MVP_VFPs to express themselves openly (they may privately), nor do I expect it from any acolyte MVP_VFP


If we, the community, let them get away with it, then it may happen again


Ever wondered what one does with the 2 hours he's saved that day ? He writes letters ...



UPDATE
Ever wondered why so many people were against JVP ? I guess noone could win from him when it came to verbal expression - he was a master