I actually agree with you in 'theory' but only because I believe that everyone should have a free education and free medical care anyway. Let someone's desires, dreams, skills, and abilities determine who can be a doctor, a lawyer, or a construction worker. I still do not believe that anyone here illegally should be rewarded for being here illegally. There will be nothing to stop the flow then or controlling it. I still think we need a guest worker program to keep track of who is here and who is not and do background checks on them (security reasons). Then every guest worker can pay his/her taxes and we can be reasonably assured that no terrorists are here (ha ha ha like that will ever happen). For all those ridiculous things our tax dollars go for, those two items along with national defense should be the top priorities. National defense is already so far over the top you can take that out of the equation. We pay too much in taxes now for a country that was created with a clear intent to avoid over taxation, yet we pay for things that our congressman decide are important and typically those are pork barrel projects.

Do any other western countries allow illegals to stay, work legally, get free medical care, and attend colleges? If so, most have a national health system and a higher living standard and I'm on the next plane... :o)


>>>>As Tracy pointed out, you are very good at stating how inadequate the system is - and providing very good references - but you have not addressed even reasonably, to me anyway, the question of them being here illegally.
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>>>Then I can only repeat it shortly: that's INS's job (or whatever they are called this week). Now why wasn't the INS doing its job for 20+ years is not something I can address, but I can guess that they were just doing the bidding of the gov't that's their boss. Now why would gov't want to have 12 million illegal aliens? Hint: who was in power all that time? Hint 2: who stood to gain from this?
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>>>I have some answers, and I've already outlined them in previous messages. If you feel like dancing another round with me, we can take the rest of the week.
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>>Ok, in respect of getting to the point shortly... Regardless of the history you bring up, then you have no problem now in them being here illegally and feel they should have all the same rights as we do? If you do, then we are done as we are at an impasse.
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>I wasn't going to get involved in this one, but what the heck; I just gotta be me. Here goes.
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>1. They are there illegally. BUT; they are there.
> They shoulda, woulda, coulda stayed home and not arrived illegally.
>2. The government doesn't seem too intent on throwing them all out.
> They shoulda, woulda, coulda, sent them all home.
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>Now you can shoulda, woulda coulda (and throw in a few ifs if you like) til you're blue in the face, but there seem to be two truths here.
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>1. they are there.
>2. they aren't being forced to leave.
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>The way I see it, you have a couple of choices.
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>1. Educate them so they can support themselves and their families, or
>2. Support them and their families with your taxes.
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>Your choice.