>>Of course, you'll make it all look like them getting a free ride on pretty much everything the rest of us have to pay.
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>No, they simply knew what they were getting into before they came across. Whatever is allowed/disallowed is due.

Just crashing the propaganda. And the one propagandistic talking point I'm seeing in many of these disputes was that these guys are having so much for free that we have to pay, and we're actually paying for them too. Which is cherrypicking the facts, to say the least. They have to pay some things we never had to pay, in both money and/or suffering.

>>>Did you ever hear me say that the companies were not a fault?
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>>I didn't. Your silence was too loud.
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>That's crap. I honesly didn't think about the companies much until you brought it up. I agreed with you on that. Stop being so combative; it's unbecomming on you.

Fair enough. Next time you won't forget, because you'll know I'm out there :).

Omission of local accomplices in decrying the misdeed of others is another sign of propaganda. I've seen it in 1989, when Milošević was honing his axes against Slovenia, and at some point started a crusade against the fact that so many Slovenian companies had branches in Serbia, while it was nearly impossible for a Serbian company to have a branch in Slovenia. True, Slovenia had higher standards and quality control, but not that much - it was a matter of their local politicians being much stiffer on permits etc. He did have a point there, to an extent. Sloba's rant was against the "damaging contracts" which were somehow solely to blame on Slovenians. He completely omitted the guys from the Serbian side, probably 99% members of his own party (well, The Party), as if the contracts were signed between Slovenian companies and a ham sandwich.

>>Same government, doing two jobs. One on them, another one on you. You expect them to remember that they should be somehow a hundred times faster in your case? Can't have two standards so far apart in the same house. If you don't mind that it takes ten or twenty seven years to solve some administrative cases just because one party in the case are foreigners, then you certainly won't mind when your case takes five years - hey, you're a citizen, you get your stuff done twice as fast!
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>We can't have a standard for citizens vs non-citizens? Even you can't believe that. Almost every country in the world has that.

My wife used to work as a health inspector, so I learned more than I wanted about how government works. The law of governmental procedure is one law, period. It proscribes how things are done, the whole due process, which is then applied across the board. It's not that every governmental body has its own book of rules. The legal system is completely different over there. I'm still coming to terms with just trying to understand the difference in approach, but it seems it can be roughly described as deductive vs inductive.

>Again, that's crap. I agree with you on this point. Wait, I know what I'll do... I AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS POINT! Did you hear me that time?

Good. I'll check on you next time ;).

>>Just going through the paperwork in a corporation can find much more with far smaller cost, in terms of both manpower and publicity. If enforcement is what you're after.
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>They both need to be addressed. Going through the paperwork will result in illegals being sent home too. I agree that it should be done.

That was my programming head applied to the problem ;).

Also, businesses who hire illegals just because they cannot compete with the competitors who do, would now see competitors go out of business. We may see some of them just outsource everything, we may see a few prices go up, but then we may just as well see employment rates (official and visible employment, not gray economy and cooked books) go back to normal.

Or, the businesses would understand that they need to buy new laws, because the policy of buying the non-enforcement of existing ones has led to this.