Well people used to get shot in Northern Ireland on a Sunday. But that was a civil war (virtually).



>>And over here I'm thinking Church, armed guards ?
>>I don't deny your access to guns but I feel sorry for you.
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>That was my first thought too after hearing about the 'security guard'... wht the hell is a security guard needed for at a church on a Sunday????
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>The incident seems to prove that it's a necessity. How sad is that?!?!?!?!?!
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>>>To be fair she is a former law officer. She volunteered to be the security guard for the church. But the point is that someone was there that had the means to stop him before he killed dozens more, and you don't have to be a law officer to be trained.
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>>>>Take a look at the 2 church shootings in Colorado this weekend. This guy killed 2 people
>>>>at the first church, then drove to the second church and opened fired there and killed
>>>>another person. He was then shot & killed by a private, volunteer security gaurd.
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>>>>IT WAS ONLY BECAUSE ONE CITIZEN WAS ARMED WITH A GUN FOR DEFENSE THAT THIS GUY WAS STOPPED
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>>>>Had the citizen not had a gun, many more people would have died. All your facts & figures &
>>>>rantings and ravings cannot deny that a gun saved lived here.
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>>>>When private citizens are allowed to arm themselves for defense, lives are saved.
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>>>>Case closed.
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>>>>>>Do you think the average american would stand a chance oposing three armed intruders. Do
>>>>>>you think your chances grow by having a gun or do you think you'll be shot as soon as they
>>>>>>notice you're armed...
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>>>>>>Yes, I stand a better chance than Taylor did with his machete.
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>>>>>>A bugler is seldomly out there to kill you..... if you don't stand in his way he won't
>>>>>>kill you. If you carry a gun and feel like a hero your chances of surviving that event
>>>>>>drasticly decreases.
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>>>>>>Nonsense.
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>>>>>From wikipedia, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States)
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>>>>>Between 1987 and 1990, David McDowall found that guns were used in defense during a crime incident 64,615 times annually.[59] This equates to two times out of 1,000 incidents (0.2%) that occurred in this time frame.[59] For violent crimes (assault, robbery, and rape), guns were used 0.83% of the time in self defense.[59] Of the times that guns were used in self defense, 71% of the crimes were committed by strangers, with the rest of the incidents evenly divided between offenders that were acquaintances or persons well known to the victim.[59] Of all incidents where a gun was used for self defense, victims shot at the offender 28% of the time.[59] In 20% of the self defense incidents, the guns were used by police officers.[59] During the same time period, there were 46,319 gun homicides,[60] and the National Crime Victimization Survey estimates that 2,628,532 nonfatal crimes involving guns occurred.[59]
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>>>>>you might feel lucky and well trained, but notice I said "The average american". I do not have a high opinion everyone will react the same.
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>>>>>As for Sean Taylor (I really don't know the event you're referring to...) it is an incident. You cannot draw any conclusions on an incident. Else I could easily say that if the US had implemented gun control at the same time we did, this event probably would never have happened. or ... If he just co-operated he'd probably would still be alive. or... if he was presenting his gun, he'd probably still would be dead.
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>>>>>Again, you could feel that you could hold a gun for self protection to feel safer, but the citation above does not draw that picture for the average american. Only 0.2% of gun incidents were used for self defence. Great....
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>>>>>>Sean Taylor, his girlfriend and his baby were holed up in their bedroom behind a locked
>>>>>>door. The 4 thugs broke open the bedroom door and then shot Taylor. He died because he was
>>>>>>holding a machete, not a shotgun. These 4 guys brought a gun for a reason. To shoot anyone
>>>>>>getting in their way.
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>>>>>>My master bedroom has only one door in, as do most houses in America. Had they broken open
>>>>>>the door to my bedroom, the first thing that would have happened is I would have cut them
>>>>>>down with 3 or 4 shots from my shotgun.
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>>>>>>Game over. I win. And I wouldn't loose a minutes sleep over it.
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>>>>>>And I'm not the one leaving horizontal in a body bag.