>>>Christ died for the Christians - ...
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>>>Funny how people distort history and read and understand what they want any way they want it.
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>>>He died because he crossed the Romans who where the conquering power in the land. They simply did not like his message, or were worried about him inciting a rebellion so they used their form of capital punishmment. He did not died for anybody. He died for his speeches and acts, right or wrong, in the eyes of the local powers. As for the second part, there were no Christians around anywhere, as they did not yet exist. He was a Jew when he was born and he was Jewish when he died.
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>>You mean to say that the man who said:"Render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's and render unto God that which is God's" saitd the wrong thing? You would think that a Jew who told Isrealis to pay their taxes to Rome would be well liked.
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>The way I understand it - and leaving aside hard-to-verify claims about God actually being willing to sacrifice Him - it was the Jews who wanted Him killed (for blasphemy or something similar), and the representative from Rome yielded, rather unwillingly.

Yes, the Romans suggested that a common thief be crucified. I think his name was Barabus. But the priests et al chanted for Jesus instead. So, Poncius Pilot 'washed his hands of it' leaving the blame on the Jews and Jesus was crucified instead.

I recently ran across a speculative bit which proposed the Romans may have done more. Part of the crucifiction was to offer up, on a sponge, drugged wine to help the victim become unconscious. The theory goes that the Romans gave Jesus enough to become unconscious and look dead. Then they took him down. From there he was put in a cave and a rock was rolled in front. The next day, although wounded by the spear of a soldier and suffering from the nail holes in his wrists and ankles, Jesus was, so to speak, back from the dead. However, it can only ever be just a theory.