>I have a friend I'm going to use that one on! He can't win an argument so he just talks over everyone else until they just stop out of frustration (and not wanting to deal with him anymore). He often leaves with the false impression that he made his point when in actuality his position looks even more ridiculous :o)
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>>In a dispute, force of argument is what counts, not argument of force.

Be my guest - you got it at my cost price. I think I picked this up from some political polemic back in... was it seventies?