>>Took you what, three days? But OK, it's down to an opinion now. IMO (opinion again), there are some forms of imprisonment where they'd think capital punishment was the easier way out. I'd add one more: oblivion. Their names should be erased from the public record. They should be forgotten. Nobody should remember them. What they did, how heinous it was - yes. Their names - just code.
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>Do you really think this will ever happen? Nope, too many bleeding heart liberals.
>See I'm more compassionate then you. I want to get them out of their misery.

Life is a precious thing, and as long as there's a chance the legal system is wrong, don't. Dying is still irreversible.

>Does ACLU know about you?

I know about them; that should suffice for now ;).

>>I did say so... but I'm still here.
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>So I see. Sometimes you're like a neighbor who won't leave. :)

I know... 11 years soon.


>>>Not a person? Last time I saw a 4 month pre-term, it sure looked like a human to me.
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>>American beer looks like beer, so what. But I'm talking about 1st trimester only. Beyond that, only to save the lady's life or in other medical emergencies. And that 1st trimester should be freely available, no hoops to jump through, no delays, no red tape. I've heard of stories where doctors were inventing reasons to delay, just to get the pregnancy beyond 1st trimester. That's low.
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>I've heard some doctor who perform abortion when the baby is full term.

I've heard of people driving 120 on a highway. No reason to ban driving. Look, not everybody who may agree with me about something is necessarily a person I like to agree with. Someone may think it's mutual and going all the way. I said 1st trimester, and medicine knows what that means. Beyond that, doctor would need a very good medical reason. Saving the woman's life may be one - and "full term" may be exaggerated. So this hearsay may actually be a justifiable case, or may be a case of an amateur Mengele - who knows.

>>Huh? It is premeditated - don't know of any cases of accidental abortion.
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>Right. execution of a heinous murders is also premedidated, but it's just. A baby never asked to be conceived. It's totally innocent.

So we agree. Now I'm for the potential mother to have a say, to choose when, with whom and how to conceive. Without pressure. The potential kid shouldn't be forced upon a parent (or parents, if both happen to be around). They should welcome it of their own free will. Child is innocent - it should at least be welcome.

>>But murder? Who exactly is the victim?
>The unborn child of course. And probably the mother too.

"Unborn child" is an oxymoron. It's like an unlit flame. How do we know whether that flame ever existed if it was never lit? Would you pay insurance to someone who got hurt in an accident waiting to happen?

It may be a child if it is born, and when it is born, not before. Or else I'd like to get my retirement right away. Because I'm a retiree waiting to happen.


>>>Sixteen year olds? How about twenty-five year olds (and older)?
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>>And why would there be a difference? The cases are the same.
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>I would think the older you get more responsible you become.

Are you saying that rape victims are responsible? Because that was in the question.

>>So, what would you recommend to that 15-year old girl? And what would you recommend to her if she was 25?
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>Consider adoption of course. There are many who want to adopt. I did. And working on another.

So trauma of birth, then separation, is the "let's grow up" way? One would say "oh let's have a birth and then let someone else worry about the kid" is irresponsible. Why have a baby at all if you aren't capable of being a parent?

>>>Number of abortions due to real health reason is so miniscule compared to the main reason.
>>>Again I know there are some situation where it has to be done.
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>>Good to know that you do. So what's wrong with the main reason? Have anything against it? Say so, then.
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>Because I believe it's a human life she's carrying around. People get more worked up over dogs and cats then we do about humans.

It's a potential, yes. And (back at the capital punishment) I remember that GW2B took no more than 20 minutes per death sentence he signed as a governor. And I know from other sources as well that (some) animals are more appreciated than (some) humans, nothing new there.

But you failed to say anything about that, so called, "main reason". The ladies don't have abortions "because ... it's a human life". They have abortions for some "main reason" which I, of course, imagine to know, but since I'm not getting worked up (neither a dog nor cat person, really), you tell me what is that main reason then. If you don't, I'll say what I think it is and why you don't like it. Just think it's fair that you have a go before I do, because you mentioned it first, so it's your avenue, you get to walk it first.

>I think you're exaggerating about "nation" of teenage mothers. Not all teenagers get pregnant and not all of them have sex, or at least unprotected sex. And they certainly don't get kicked out of school.

Maybe I live in wrong (part of the?) city. Maybe I'm guilty of not being disgusted of local TV channels soon enough, so I saw kids of 14, 15 being expelled from schools, and their thinly disguised identities dragged through the news for just having their hands on each other while in a parked van on school parking. It's the parents scared stoolless, who demand that schools have a zero-tolerance policy for this or that, trying to protect their kids from who knows what fear they have, and the few loud ones among them probably get everybody worked up and - there you are, your kid is out of school for just making out on the back seat, maybe not even doing it for real, just having a taste of life.

Now imagine what happens with high school pregnancy. And there were a couple in my generation, BTW - and the ladies have had their abortions on time, graduated high school, gone to college later, graduated and some of them have had kids when they had jobs, husbands etc. Imagine what would have happened to them here. Would they ever finish college and have regular families, would they be middle class as it were? We'd have, let's see, one economist... no, two economists, one legal advisor, one foundry engineer less. And about four... eight social problems more.


>>Rare occurrences work in this country. There was one attack once, yet we're all searched on the airports, right?
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>Would you be happier if there weren't any security search at airports? How about searching just the olive skinned mid-easterners with full chin of beard?

Yes, I would be happier if the security at the airports was done the old way, by having the experienced agents walk among the public (yes, x-ray the luggage, of course) and sniff out the suspects, take them aside discretely and generally operate as invisibly as possible. That used to be more efficient than this parading with checks which are geared more towards getting the public used to the methods of a police state than towards actually catching or deterring anyone.

>Hundreds of random people can be killed with one explosion in an airport not to mention the mass hysteria

Mass hysteria was invented in Hollywood. You'd be surprised - I've read accounts of great earthquakes, people not only refrain from panic, they actually think and act, and save each other. But it doesn't look good on the screen, and is actually a nice excuse to keep things in secret. And yes, now after 70 years of convincing the world that "we can't publish that, it would cause panic", and Orson Welles's prank, the habit is established. Now there may be one because everyone expects everyone else to panic. People learn behavior from the screen.

>and the "idiot Bush..." comments that's certain to follow.

Too bad - had they preceded, they may have been more effective.

>At least the anti-abortion nuts have specific target in mind.

I'm so glad for them.

>Gotta drive up to San Francisco tomorrow.
>Later.