>To me as one working in the fertility field, I know there are a huge number of different circumstances where abortion is allowed. You seem to think in black and white, but it seldom is.
That's why I asked about his TV, but he didn't bother to answer.
>Also in IVF, a lot of american clinics put back as many as 10 embryos (or more). If they all implant a woman will carry 10 babies. It is not hard to imagine an reduction (aborting one or more embryos, but leaving at least one) is neccesary. Esspecially in multiples a reduction might increase the succesfull birth of the remaining embryos and reducing the medical complications of the mother (and reducing the tax payers money who have to pay for the consequences).
Or rather bankrupt the parents... oops, no more.
New law as of 2005. They will be in debt forever, no more easy bankruptcy unless you're a corporation.
>Now reading you might consider IVF to be something that should be done either, but OTOH, IVF is about producing life and as with failures in the process (as in nature). Abortion is something that comes with the field in preventing medical complications etc.
I'll repeat that I think abortion is the last line of defense against unwanted pregnancy. And I think that contraception and IVF actually go nicely hand in hand: people who want to have children should have them, those who aren't sure or don't want should not.
>I think you are referring to the abortions where a couple feels they are not up to a child because they still have to make carreer and a child does not fit in the planning. That up here is also a debate. It is simply difficult to draw the line.
Including those - if they aren't sure, there's always someone who says that just seeing your child will make you change your mind. Yes, for the most of us who are wired so by evolution/civilization. What about those whose children simply aren't as likable, or who aren't wired so? This is medicine, there are no 100% sure fire rules, there are only individuals. What if the couple still doesn't like it? And we know it has happened thousands of times already.
>One might think that we up here should have high abortion rates because of our liberal position. But actually the Netherlands have about the lowest abortion rates of the western world. This probably is because of the open sexual education culture we have up here (many teenagers do carry condoms or are on oral anti conception).
You're proposing a damn leftie freedom-with-responsible-individuals thing, it's too liberal, it will never happen here. The guys here just KNOW the people can't be trusted to use their heads, judging by themselves. They KNOW that decisions about human lives cannot be trusted to humans themselves, but rather to other humans who are somehow supposed to know better.
OK, it's partially happened here once, but it was the excesses of the sixties and seventies, it will be rolled back. The sheep will just walk back into the pen and everything will be fine.
>In the US where often the victorian sex-code still rules it has actual the opposite effect. If children are not educated they will experiment and accidents (getting pregnant) will happen. More accidents will happen if they practise a do-it-yourself-abortion. If we are pro-life, let us at least be sure those abortions are done safely to prevent both mother and child to die.
But that's what they actually want - reverting any progress that happened during the last 70-80 years. It'll be "get raped, see the perp walk unscathed, then choose between giving birth to another one or being guilty of visiting the butcher".
