>>When you raise a technical point to someone and they respond by telling you how many years they've been doing this you know you've found somebody whose been coasting and faking it for a long time.
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>I still remember when VB had been out for about a year and a half and HR departments were demanding 3 to 5 years of VB experience.

And then 5 years of C# in 2001... they never learn.

Just checked, and sure I have the appropriate one among the classic programming jokes: http://www.ndragan.com/pv/Carriage.html