Hi Bruce ---

>>What particular troubles you got? So far, presonally, I didn't see them.
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>I had sometimes the toolbar becoming randomly undocked...I also had trouble getting the activex statusbar (which is inside a toolbar) to work without the formset...

The only type of toolbar I've ever wanted *in* a form are the "cool bar" type, which I have faked with invisible buttons, BMPs, et al. I have never been able to get a toolbar to behave exactly as I wanted it to in one respect or another and just decided, long ago, to reserve them to application level constructs.