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Castro retires
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From
19/02/2008 13:12:19
Dragan Nedeljkovich (Online)
Now officially retired
Zrenjanin, Serbia
 
 
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19/02/2008 11:33:07
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Forum:
News
Category:
International
Title:
Miscellaneous
Thread ID:
01293695
Message ID:
01293879
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>Other heroes of the revolution (Huber Matos for example) were disturbed by the increasingly authoritarian cult of personality that Castro was creating. To prove them wrong, Castro threw them into prison or shot them (shades of 1917)

Nope, in 1917 they were shooting the white ones. Come 1924-1953, they went shooting their own who were tin ears (*).

>American policy toward Cuba was a botch from day one (day one being back at the end of the Spanish American War) But Castro had a window of opportunity in 1959 to go in a different direction and chose not to.

You're getting me worried here. This is the first message after many months where you are not displaying your willful ignorance of anything regarding socialism. You always had a battalion of strawmen in that closet.

And yes, fifties were the proper time to decide to go with mainstream real-socialism a la Stalin, Hrushchev has read his referat at the Congress, Tito was deep in self-management (since 1952 officially), Stalin was dead, socialism had its chance to fulfill its promise of democracy (where people would have policies to choose from and decisions to make, not just to choose which side of the coin), but for the most part they were all politicians and did what seemed easier. Castro too. Ceauşescu was seemingly independent, in a way, but that was just a cover.

>I have always had kind of a mirror image of marxism view of the whole thing. Had we backed Ho Chi Minh in 1954 we would have been bottling Coca Cola in Hanoi by 1960.

Coca Cola was bottled in Zemun (Belgrade's Coney Island of sorts) since late sixties, FWIW. In a society-owned factory running a franchise under contract.

And comrade Ho actually asked for US help, to get rid of the French masters, just like the US once got rid of the Brits. But this cat seemed to be of wrong color.

> And I think you are right about Cuba. I think a lot of our schizophrenic policies re Cuba in the earyl sixties were a product of a very powerful organized crime lobby and the very complex history and connections of the Kennedy brothers.

And let's not forget that in this country you can get away with anything if only you can somehow paint your opponent as red, or somehow introduce a red-painted straw man (this is re "free health" from few messages ago - nobody said it's free, but you say so only to make a point; see how the technique works).

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(*) Three academy classmates have lunch. Few drinks after the dessert, one asks the other two: "How come I'm still a captain, and you guys are colonels?". "You are a tin ear. And I can prove it" says one, picks up a boiled egg, puts it to his ear and says, "wow, Chopin!". Gives it to the other colonel, who puts the egg to his ear and says "Amazing - you can really hear Chopin from this" and passes the egg to the major. Mayor puts it to his ear and says "I don't hear a thing."

"That's why you're still a major, tin ear."

back to same old

the first online autobiography, unfinished by design
What, me reckless? I'm full of recks!
Balkans, eh? Count them.
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