>Tracy, assuming that we're sticking with the topic of the thread ;-) it's important to figure out what went wrong last time and what might convince Michel that things are different. If it was everybody else's fault, then there is no hope.
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>For the rest: are you able to provide threads from 2004 that show focus on technical concerns followed by swarmings by VFP'ers?

"Free Willy, the sequel", AKA "Free JVP". :-)