>>>Hi Bruce ---
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>>>>>What particular troubles you got? So far, presonally, I didn't see them.
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>>>>I had sometimes the toolbar becoming randomly undocked...I also had trouble getting the activex statusbar (which is inside a toolbar) to work without the formset...
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>>>The only type of toolbar I've ever wanted *in* a form are the "cool bar" type, which I have faked with invisible buttons, BMPs, et al. I have never been able to get a toolbar to behave exactly as I wanted it to in one respect or another and just decided, long ago, to reserve them to application level constructs.
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>>Currently, I develop app with 5 toolbars (all in top-level form) and they behave just fine. Top-level form is actually not a form, it's a base of interface (DE+generic methods+links to module objects).
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>That sounds kind of like the same thing I do with a top-level formset? I've had no troubles since I add the toolbars to the formset, then use them in top-level form...

Formset is fine, I volunteered to defend it here many times in VFP3 days, but then VFP5 came and I changed my way :), though I still have full respect to Formset. The main reason why I don't use Formset anymore, is because top-level form already gives me couple things (DE+generic methods) which I used to have in VFP3 formsets.