Kevin (or JVP... whichever),

Why did you feel any need to start this thread?????

PLEASE - kill it asap.

Thanks


>Well, I'll take the advice on starting a new thread...
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>Earlier today, you referenced a post from Steve Black from over five years ago, in which SB claimed knowledge of how JVP got his MVP.
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>In that thread, SB made the following statements:
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>I'm sure the all the Fox MVPs who've earned it through years of yeoman service will be thrilled to know that not only are you an MVP (!), but that you got it not on merits past or present but on a promise to a guy like Ken whom, at the time, was just starting. You conned him.
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>...
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>"John, you will never catch me groveling to get an MVP award like you did to Ken last year. Tell us the story John. You are THE personfication of a walking talking Microsoft blowjob.
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>Just so this is perfectly clear: from the moment I first met you, at the first conference you ever spoke at, I was struck by what a poofed-up charlatan you are. I never for a moment considered you anything but a jerk, and nothing you've said, wrote, or done since has changed that one iota. "
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>A neutral observer could understandably conclude that there's tremendous animosity in this message.
>But animosity is really the least of the issues here.
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>Why do I say that? Please refer to the following link: http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~Exam70-155ADO~VFP
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>Note three things from this link:
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>First, the topic at the top (Exam 70-155 ADO)
>Second, note the contributors at the bottom (Craig Berntson, Steven Black)
>Third, and most significant: a few lines up from the contributors,
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>For a more complete discussion of ADO, see John V. Petersen's whitepaper, "ADO Jumpstart for Microsoft Visual FoxPro Developers" linked from ADO Jump Start or visit http://www.microsoft.com/data
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>Now, SB is not here to defend himself. I have no issues with him. However, JR, you ARE here to defend yourself. And so I ask you this question. Do you really wish to base any of your positions on the posts of an individual who (on the one hand) stated that he felt JVP was a poofed-up charlatan from the moment he met him, and yet (on the other hand) referenced JVP's famous ADO whitepaper on the Wiki link above?
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>As an author/columnist/community speaker, any links/references I provide are always for sources for whom I have tremendous respect. I cannot imagine providing a link to another person's work (which is essentially advertising that individual) and stating later that I always felt the individual was a "poofed-up charlatan".
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>So JR, which are we to believe??? If the posts from SB in 2002 are simply "angry venting", then are you sure you want to base any of your positions on the contents in the message links you're providing???
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>At the risk of repetition, you should know better than to cite hearsay within hearsay as absolute fact.
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>As I said earlier, it's almost comical that anyone with any knowledge of history would hold any value to these messages. John got his first VFP MVP back in 1996 after a few years of writing and speaking (his series in FoxTalk, his book, etc.), and continued that trend throughout the 1990's.
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>Did the ADO whitepaper help him get renewed that year? I'm sure it did...as well it should have. But that was 1999, and John was already 3 years into the MVP program. I'm trying to keep this from being "nasty", but I'm also not going to let these things pass.
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>Kevin