But wasn't the question originally (I'm no longer sure) whether or not the allied forces would have won without the U.S. participating in it? These discussions just go round and round and round... :o)



>>It wasn't Hitler that brought America into the war. I can't believe this discussion is even occurring again. I started typing a response and then decided wikipedia had it pretty well laid out:
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>Aye. But i read a biography of Hitler recently and he declared war on the USA anyway (it's like an argument of who dumped whom) ie the US would have been in anyway.
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>>On December 1st, Hirohito authorized the war against United States, Great Britain and Holland, which began on the 7th by the launching of near simultaneous offensives against Southeast Asia and the Central Pacific, including an attack on the American naval base of Pearl Harbor.
>>These actions prompted the United States, United Kingdom, China, and other Western Allies to declare war on Japan. Italy, Germany, and the other members of the Tripartite Pact responded by declaring war on the United States. In January, the United States, United Kingdom, Soviet Union and China issued the Declaration by United Nations, formalizing their alliance against the Axis Powers with the exception that the Soviet Union maintained its neutrality agreement with Japan.
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>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II
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>>>>I'm not 'Making it look' like anything. I never said the US acted alone. I simply pointed
>>>>out the fact that the US could have opted to not join the war in Europe, which would
>>>>have left Europe in German hands. Up until the US got involved, the 'allies' you refer to
>>>>were losing.
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>>>Erm, Hitler declared war on you, for Godsakes! "the US could have opted to not join the war in Europe"
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>>>>Would the Canadians had landed had the US not been in the war? Not likely.
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>>>>BTW, the link doesn't work for me for some reason. Not that it bears on this.
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>>>>>My point is that you make it look as if only the US alone helped liberating the Netherlands. According to this article in Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_Day_%28The_Netherlands%29:
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>>>>>The nation was liberated largely by Canadian troops
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>>>>>>So what's your point?