>>Formset is fine, I volunteered to defend it here many times in VFP3 days, but then VFP5 came and I changed my way :), though I still have full respect to Formset. The main reason why I don't use Formset anymore, is because top-level form already gives me couple things (DE+generic methods) which I used to have in VFP3 formsets.
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>Well, I'm sure you're right, I probably had other problems back when I created this design, virtually no one had used top-levels much then...I do have a smaller app with one toolbar in a top-level form that works fine, also. But partly, I just feel a little more comfortable with the formset when I have a collection of toolbars to administer, it feels like the correct container...

I quite understand this. Natural container with collections was the main feature that attracted me to use formsets. Gradually, I got understanding that I could and should enforce application objects hierarchy (through coded collections) myself and formset became redundant.