>>Peter,
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>>One last response from me in this thread and then I am silent.
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>In that case I guess it's of no use to further debate this with you.

You don't debate, you nag. Debates end when everyone has said what they wanted to say and have presented their pov's. They are not about nagging until the other person gives up and agrees with you. Jim has said what he wanted to say, as has Michel. They both made their positions crystal clear.