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09/03/2008 15:02:48
 
 
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09/03/2008 13:09:26
Dragan Nedeljkovich (Online)
Now officially retired
Zrenjanin, Serbia
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>Muslims in Bosnia got all the help from the West they ever wanted, although they were hosting the mujahedeen galore. Even OBL has a Bosnian passport.
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And yet all those mujahedeen women and children kept dying and the sneaky muslims kept jumping into mass graves just to make the Serbs look bad ...

Of course I'm sure somehow that was "the West's" fault as well. I would have thought Serbia would have been quite pleased with Clinton and Butros Butros Ghalee for at least allowing a quarter million Muslims to be allowed to ... what, commit suicide ? ... before a belated intervention.

For one who is so appalled at the deaths of Iraqis caused by US military power, it would be interesting to see you compare Serbian military power to the percentage and absolute number of Muslim civilians killed and then extrapolate what those numbers would have been if Serbia had had military wherewhal of American proportions just how many Muslims it could have taken out.

I do, however, agree with you about the complexity of KLA, Chechens etc being 'terrorists' or 'resistance fighters' depending on whether or not they were threatening US interests. I guess I was just never surprised by it and have nver been very pursuaded by 'national liberationists' who are ruthless thugs no more worthy of power than those they would displace.

And you are also talking about Clinton policy's and you won't catch me defending those.

And he did take more 'nuanced' and less unilateral approach in Rwanda where he simply did nothing and did not interfere in local cultural traditions.


>Let's see it from the beginning (of this round):
>Bombing of King David Hotel, the British Military HQ in Jerusalem, by the Zionist group Irgun, with 91 deaths - a mix of military and civilian. This was the first terrorist attack of the modern era in the Middle East.
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>FF to
>1995, 15 cases. 6 Islamic, 2 ETA in Spain, 2 US internal, 2 Sri Lanka, 3 in Latvia, Columbia & Japan.
>1999, 13 cases, 8 of them in Jordan, Russia, Pakistan etc - Islamic; 3 internal West (Columbine, Breton Liberation Army in France), 2 in Colombia.
>2000: 13, 7 in US, Germany, Russia, Yemen, Indonesia, Phillipines; 3 Colombia; 3 internal to Greece, Latvia, France.
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>At this random sample, I'd say about a half.

Uh, were you absent from 1965 to 1999 ? The fast forwarding you are doing rather slants the numbers.


Charles Hankey

Though a good deal is too strange to be believed, nothing is too strange to have happened.
- Thomas Hardy

Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm-- but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves.

-- T. S. Eliot
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Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
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