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19/03/2008 11:55:08
 
 
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19/03/2008 11:47:46
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Politics
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Titre:
Divers
Thread ID:
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If I understand correctly Mr.Obama and his family visited that church for very long period of time. Most likely, it created plenty of chances to hear pastor sermons of questionable contents. I would also imagine that churchgoers did not shy to discuss sermons privately and, certainly, Mr.Obama had numerous opportunities to have his opinion voiced regardless if he missed or not any particular day.

>Here's a snippet:
>The Obama campaign has told members of the press that Senator Obama was not in church on the day cited, July 22, because he had a speech he gave in Miami at 1:30 PM. Our writer, Jim Davis, says he attended several services at Senator Obama's church during the month of July, including July 22. The church holds services three times every Sunday at 7:30 and 11 a.m. and 6 p.m. Central time. While both the early morning and evening service allowed Sen. Obama to attend the service and still give a speech in Miami, Mr. Davis stands by his story that during one of the services he attended during the month of July, Senator Obama was present and sat through the sermon given by Rev. Wright as described in the story. Mr. Davis said Secret Service were also present in the church during Senator Obama's attendance. Mr. Davis' story was first published on Newsmax on August 9, 2007. Shortly before publication, Mr. Davis contacted the press office of Sen. Obama several times for comment about the
>Senator's attendance and Rev. Wright's comments during his sermon. The Senator's office declined to comment.

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>That was NOT denounced, however Kristol in his NYT's column, did correct his statements (not the same as those above, this is an entirely different source and claim) and retract them.
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>>I'm sorry, I cannot use links at this computer, so I don't get your point.
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>>>It appears to be a case of he said/she said:
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>>>Kristol issued a correct, but Davis and Kessler have not:
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>>>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/17/kristol-issues-a-correction-i-regret-the-error/
>>>http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_hate_America_sermon/2008/03/16/80870.html
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>>>>>>>>Dream on. He went to the same church every Sunday and never heard what the pastor said. Great memory and attention to details.
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>>>>>>>That's not what he said. He said he sometimes heard things he disagreed with, but that he heard lots more there, too.
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>>>>>>>I don't know about you, but I've disagreed with my rabbi's sermons plenty of times, and wouldn't want his politics to be assumed to be mine. (FWIW, I said the same thing before Obama said something like it in his speech.) A church or synagogue is much more than just the preacher; it's a community that one belongs to for lots of reasons.
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>>>>>>>Tamar
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>>>>>>Did he say it before or after? Initial reaction was that he never heard and (a bit after) that he did not pay attention. Now (bigger after) he heard but could not disown.
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>>>>>I haven't heard every word Obama's said on the subject, but the impression I have is that he said he wasn't there for the inflammatory stuff that was widely played last week, and that he was there sometimes when things were said that he disagreed with.
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>>>>It is difficult to discuss impressions.
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>>>>>>Hopefully, your rabbi has milder views. In my books if you hear something that you don't like much (let's put it diplomatically) and stay silent and continue normal discourse, as if nothing happened, with the person then the inaction becomes a complicity.
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>>>>>What you do depends on the setting. I have called people on bigoted comments more than once, but not every single time I've heard one. With some people, after a while, you simply agree to disagree.
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>>>>>Tamar
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>>>>I think it may depend on comments, i.e. how bigoted they are perceived. Simple agreement, as you put it, may just indicate that you, or anyone else, do not consider them as bigoted enough, while other comments, perceived as being more bigoted, could cause different reaction. In other words, our reactions characterize ourselves more than things we react to. Hopefully, you recognize that I talk primarily about Mr.Obama, and not about Mrs.Granor.
>>>>Please, note that we are not discussing guest party invitation. It is about the highest office of the mightiest country in the world.
Edward Pikman
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