>>We have pageframe that sometimes has a single row of page tabs, and other times has a double row of tabs. I need to determine the true position of the bottom of the pageframe. Generally, I would add the Top position to the height. But in the Form.Init the height of the pageframe will be 20+ pixel more then it is on the actual screen. Is there a proper way to find the bottom position?
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>>If I could determine the position of a control on the page as it is on the form that would help too. Or finding the position of an object relative to the form.
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>>Thanks
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>Can you use Pageframe.PageHeight property?

I looked at that, but that is the physical height of the page within the pageframe. If I could determine the position of an object in the pageframe relative to the the form, or the number of tab rows, then I can calculate the position of the bottom of the pageframe.