So having been in the military automatically gives you the power to offer up young soldiers for fodder in an unwinnable war? And you have the gall to say because I don't like the idea of sending people to their death for an unholy purpose, I'm not equal to you because I shouldn't be making this call since I've never been in the military?

No John, if you exhibited critical thinking you would have seen lights flashing all over during the last few years. There are people in charge today who see the constitution as a stumbling block.

As Bill Maher recently said about your hero mccain, New Rule: Old soldiers never die, they get young soldiers killed. He thinks the solution is our presence in the Middle East. No, the problem is our presence in the Middle East. That’s why I don’t care if John McCain is better than Bush on global warming or torture or campaign finance, because he’s exactly the same as Bush on the war. They both don’t get the same thing. As long as we’re setting up shop in the heart of the Arab world, we’re not keeping America safer. Some people look at McCain and see a tough guy who is going to protect us from the “Islamofascists.” I look at him and see a walking Tom Clancy action figure who is going to get us all killed.



>Oh, and by the way, Perry, I was in the military and in a war. How about you?
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>>Simply using the phrase "neocon" is all I need to know about the objective documentary of this film.
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>>Thinking like mine *saves* this country. Critical thinking. Objective, analytical thinking. I'm not the sheep here, Perry. I respect all viewpoints but don't try to tell me what is fact and what is hyperbole.
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>>>A) You're responding to the wrong post
>>>B) How is showing the life of a severely wounded veteran propaganda? They are showing the actualities of war. Something that those who think like you gloss over.
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>>>The link you responded to is a Frontline documentary that started last nite and continues tonite. I watched/read much on the runup to the war. But there were some new things I hadn't heard about before that were brought up last night.
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>>>First, I found it shocking that rumsfeld let his personal feelings get in the way of working with the CIA in the initial days of war in Afghanistan. I'm not sure if it was because of his relationship with cheney. But that no one stepped up to coordinate efforts showed how dysfunctional those in charge of our govt back then, were.
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>>>The story also showed up fixated the neocons were to carry out their manifesto they had written some yrs before that called for overthrowing Saddam. There were some in the administration who were determined at all costs to show some relationship between Saddam and Al Queda.
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>>>Hopefully there will be a good outcome to all this. But thinking like yours has put this country in a very precarious position.
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>>>>Bill Moyers is an avowed anti-Bush zealot so I don't place any worth in this.
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>>>>I don't particularly like propaganda masquerading as news regardless of the bent.
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>>>>>This should be excellent. Presented in 2 parts over tonite and tomorrow nite:
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>>>>>http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/bushswar/