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Maya Angelou For Hillary Clinton
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28/04/2008 20:34:36
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I know why the primaries didn't count. Here are a couple of news stories with Hillary's arguments why the votes should count as tabulated at the time or the primaries should be redone.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/12/florida.michigan/

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88165077

As you know, there was considerable talk about "do-overs" in both states. Both candidates went along with the idea but so far nothing has come of it. Part of it was over who would pay the costs of holding new primaries. Hillary wanted to count the votes as is, which makes sense given that she was still the presumptive nominee at the time and flying high in the polls. Obama wanted a new vote, which serves his purposes given the changed landscape. IAC, it remains unresolved (as you know). It may be yet because I don't think anyone wants the superdelegates to decide. That would be electoral poison in November.

>I don't believe that's actually what she said. Or she changed her story then (another?). As I recall, she said that if another primary were held, then those votes should be counted. That would be in accordance with the Democrat policies and should be allowed. The only reason the earlier primaries didn't count is because they held them before the party allowed in contradiction to party rules.
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>>Re CA, that's probably correct given that Hillary won the Democratic primary there.
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>>You can make at least a partial case for counting Florida in this imaginary total primary vote tally. But not Michigan. Obama was not even on the ballot. ALL the candidates, including Hillary, agreed in advance with the party's sanctions and agreed not to campaign there (which they did not). Hillary's claims now that the votes should count, and that MI and FL voters are being disenfranchised, are completely bogus. But not out of character.
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>>>I don't think California will tip to McCain but it'll be a lot closer against Obama than Hilary.
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>>>More people have voted for Hilary than Obama and yes I'm counting MI and FL because even though the national party tossed them aside, people still bothered to vote there.
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>>>The MI and FL delegates should not be counted as the rules were established before the primary and they need to be enforced.
>>>Florida should know that. >;)
>>>However, the superdelegates can vote for whomever they wish for whatever reason. Given that, come convention time, more people will have cast their ballots for Hilary, should the superdelegates take that into account or abide by the delegate winner?
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>>>I understand they'll actually be voting for the candidate who promises them the most but let's play pretend and assume no back room politics.
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>>>>I don't expect an electoral landslide. We'll see.
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>>>>If you want to bet on California going Republican under any circumstances, I'm all ears ;-)
>>>>
>>>>Why do you think Hillary will win the primary popular vote? She is trailing by a few hundred thousand and the biggest state left, North Carolina, should go to Obama. Only by Hillary's funky arithmetic, counting the non-contested states of Michigan and Florida (she wants us to forget they didn't count going in), does she have a lead. And even that is arguable given the difficulty of estimating vote counts in caucus states.
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>>>>>He's also trailing big with Jewish and Latino voters. Think Florida and California. Combine this with Hilary's big state wins, McCain's Independent support and look at the state by state polling. The Dem party is staring down the wrong end of an electoral landslide and they're just starting to wake up to it.
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>>>>>As an aside, I'm curious how Democrats currently feel about the electoral college. I know there was a big bellyache after 2000 when Gore won the popular vote. Now it appears that Hillary will win the popular vote in the primary but lose the regular delegate battle. Should the popular vote be the deciding factor in the superdelegate's eyes?
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>>>>>>I certainly wouldn't go as far as saying he can't win. He's still the favorite IMO. The Democratic dustup has given McCain a free pass for a few weeks now but he will face his own scrutiny before this is over.
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>>>>>>What can't be denied is that racism is playing a part. Some dumb utopians like me may have hoped it wouldn't, but it hasn't gone away. Look at the groups he is having the most trouble winning over -- white, less educated, rural, older. To the extent that racists are still among us, that's exactly where you'll find them.
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>>>>>>>The reason is Barack cannot win the general and many people are waking up to that fact.
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>>>>>>>>And according to some blogs I read today, for some reason a lot of the mass media, Time, Wash Post and others are getting behind her also.
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>>>>>>>>>Ads are hot and heavy in NC now. Emails too. Here's a mass emailing that went out today:
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>>>>>>>>>Dear Tracy,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I am writing to tell you about my friend, Hillary Clinton, and why I am standing with her in her campaign for the presidency. I know the kind of president Hillary Clinton will be because I know the person she is.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I am inspired by her courage and her honesty. She is a reliable and trustworthy person. She is someone I not only admire but one for whom I have profound affection.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hillary does not waver in standing up for those who need a champion. She has always been a passionate protector of families. As a child, she was taught that all God?s children are equal, and as a mother, she understood that her child wasn?t safe unless all children were safe. As I wrote about Hillary recently in a praise song: ?She is the prayer of every woman, and every man who longs for fair play, healthy families, good schools and a balanced economy.?
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>>>>>>>>>It may be easy to view Hillary Clinton through the narrow lens of those who would write her off or grind her down. Hillary sees us as we are, black and brown and white and yellow and pink and relishes our differences knowing that fundamentally we are all more alike than we are unalike. She is able to look through complexion and see community.
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>>>>>>>>>She has endured great scrutiny, and still she dares greatly. Hillary Clinton will not give up on you, and all she asks is that you do not give up on her. She is a long-distance runner. I am honored to say I am with her for the long run.
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>>>>>>>>>I am supporting Hillary Clinton because I know that she will make the most positive difference in people?s lives and she will help our country become what it can be. Whether you are her supporter, leaning towards her, undecided, or supporting someone else, I believe Hillary Clinton will represent you ? she will be a president for all Americans. It is no small thing that along the way we will make history together.
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>>>>>>>>>Vote for Hillary Clinton and show your support at www.hillaryclinton.com/nc. I know she will make us proud.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Dr. Maya Angelou
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>>>>>>>>>

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>>>>>>>>>I hate to do this, but I question her definition of honesty.
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